More Hollywood Studios Say ‘No Smoking’

My son will not be allowed to smoke in sixth grade and will be taught that smoking cigarettes with all of their additives is stupid, smoking something with ammonia in it... you might as well drink Drain-O. The additives break down the barriers that keep you from absorbing all the nicotine. It is the difference between chewing coca leaves and mainlining cocaine.
Of course those that smoke them get addicted, that is what the additives are for.
I was talking about just tobacco, not ciggarettes... he will be taught that only an idiot would smoke those and what ammonia, formaldehyde and the other additives do to your system.
He will be educated, fear tactics just make them want to do it more.

Edit:
Just to illustrate, I went through a period when I smoked two pipes or large cigars a day for a few months and then decided to quit for a few months before going back to just smoking once a week or two.
I had NO withdrawal symptoms.
Asked about this... even though I suspected the no inhaling and lack of additives, at my local tobacconists, they told me it was not unusual and that many can be addicted to cigs after just three or four and that many who smoke a few cigars a day who go into the hospital never have any withdrawal symptoms.
I am not saying that regular tobacco use is a good thing. I don't want mouth cancer any more than any other kind and regular use diminishes the pleasure of it. No habit is a good thing or enjoyable. When I smoke now it is a relaxing occasion, a treat an no more harmful than when I eat a large steak or drink a glass red wine.
The cig companies that say they do not add nicotine to their tobacco are not lying.
When I worked for the distillery we made industrial alcohol and mixed nicotine (you had to wear a has mat suit, one drop of it on your skin will kill you. Chemical nicotine is NOTHING like natural nicotine.) into it. They then spray it onto the filters and paper. The alcohol evaporates and leaves the nicotine. The ammonia and formaldehyde breaks-down the mitosis barrier and your body absorbs it directly, mainline.
Natural nicotine is actually hard to absorb and takes a while to become addicted to.
Before they started adding them many people smoked casually. I still don't like cigarettes, don't like the idea of smoking paper and think it contributes to the problem, MANY more carcinogens and adds to inhalation.
I don't want him to smoke at all, but will do all in my power to keep him away from cigs by telling him all I know. At least I have inside info.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

When I smoke now it is a relaxing occasion, a treat an no more harmful than when I eat a large steak or drink a glass red wine.

I think you are deluding yourself. Pipe Smoking

[DanaC]

What happens if you take one drink a week and smoke a pipe/cigar the same way you become badly addicted to alcohol and tobacco?
You are in a fictional scenario.

When I first started smoking I and my best friend (aged 12) would pinch rolling tobacco from my dad's store. We maye had two or three cigs a week each. I continued to smoke at fairly low levels for about two years. I then, started increasing the amoutn I was smoking. Why? because I was really wanting another cig much sooner than before. Why? Because I was becoming addicted.

There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that some people have a greater propensity towards nicoteine addiction. There is also evidence to suggest that women often find it much more difficult to break nicoteine addiction than men and are far more likely to restart having once stopped.

As someone who became addicted very quickly, very young and after smoking very small amounts over that time, I would take issue with your definition of 'fictional' in this instance.

American Cancer Society

Yeah, the same people who used a photo of black lung to "show" what a smoker's lung looks like in schools. Sure, we can trust them.
Everything they have ever said about pipe and cigar smoking has been a lie.
Though this is true... and no one I know who smokes a pipe or cigar inhales. Nor did this discuss how much those who they are talking about use a pipe. Convenient.

How much smoke a pipe user inhales can make a big difference in how harmful the practice is, say researchers. "The absolute risks of smoking a pipe depend on how one does it," says Thun. "Those who switch from cigarettes to pipes inhale more deeply and tend to create higher lung cancer risks."

I also like this portion of the article. Which is accurate and sounds very familiar.

The risk also depends on how much you smoke. "Pipe tobacco should be enjoyed like a fine wine," says Chuck Stanion, managing editor of Pipes and Tobaccos, a quarterly magazine based in Raleigh, North Carolina, that goes out to 75,000 pipe smokers and hobbyists. "You sip it as a connoisseur." His magazine also recommends that pipe smokers do not inhale.... Nicotine -- which itself doesn't cause cancer

1. USWM smokers have a lifetime relative risk of dying from lung cancer of only 8 (not the 20 or more that is based on an annual death rate and therefore virtually useless).
2. No study has ever shown that casual cigar smoker (<5 cigars/wk, not inhaled) has an increased incidence of lung cancer.
3. Lung cancer is not in even in the top 5 causes of death, it is only #9.**
4. All cancers combined account for only 13% of all annual deaths and lung cancer only 2%.**
5. Occasional cigarette use (<1 pk/wk) has never been shown to be a risk factor in lung cancer.
6. Certain types of pollution are more dangerous than second hand smoke.3
7. Second hand smoke has never been shown to be a causative factor in lung cancer.
8. A WHO study did not show that passive (second hand) smoke statistically increased the risk of getting lung cancer.
9. No study has shown that second hand smoke exposure during childhood increases their risk of getting lung cancer.
10. In one study they couldn't even cause lung cancer in mice after exposing them to cigarette smoke for a long time.23
11. If everyone in the world stopped smoking 50 years ago, the premature death rate would still be well over 80% of what it is today.1 (But I thought that smoking was the major cause of preventable death...hmmm.)

According to WHO/CDC Data)* 1999
By: James P. Siepmann, MD

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/E...Vol-1/e1-4.htm

You know how I feel about cigarettes, but anyone can find anything to back them up.

[DanaC]

That isn't what's being shown in movies though, rk. I understand that you can do your best to ensure that your son grows up with a healthy respect for tobacco as a substance, in much the same way as one would hope he'd grow up with a healthy respect for alcohol.

The trouble is yours aren't the only messages your son will listen to and take on board whilst growing up. Another problem is that whilst you may think what you are teaching him is respect for tobacco...but it's possible what you are actually teaching him is that tobacco is pretty cool and something to be desired. Combine that message with a set of ther messages (from peer group as he gets older, from movies if they are still allowed to show smoking :P, etc.)

[DanaC]

Out of interest rk, have you come across similar evidence regarding heart disease and deep vein thrombosis?

Originally Posted by DanaC

Out of interest rk, have you come across similar evidence regarding heart disease and deep vein thrombosis?

I have not looked. But I bet I could.

If I can't teach him not to listen to morons, then I get what I get.

[DanaC]

If I can't teach him not to listen to morons, then I get what I get.

It's not about 'not listening to morons' rk. Come on, be sensible, you know children take messages and social conditioning from a variety of sources. It's not always obvious.

If I can't teach him not to listen to morons, then I get what I get.

No...he gets what he gets.

Originally Posted by DanaC

It's not about 'not listening to morons' rk. Come on, be sensible, you know children take messages and social conditioning from a variety of sources. It's not always obvious.
No...he gets what he gets.

Well put, and that is what I am teaching him. Choice, ALL of your actions are your choice at all times.

[DanaC]

Just for the record, I am not suggesting you stop smoking your pipe. Nor am I suggesting that it is inevitable that he will learn one lesson over another lesson.

Originally Posted by DanaC

Just for the record, I am not suggesting you stop smoking your pipe. Nor am I suggesting that it is inevitable that he will learn one lesson over another lesson.

I agree, and those who drink and then tell their kids not to ever drink are asking for serious trouble.
Because kids will then see them as a hypocrite in ALL things.
So if they then smoke, their parents have no credibility when telling them not to... even if they do not smoke, because they drink and told their child not to and that it was bad.
Once you are a hypocrite in your kid's eyes they battle is lost.

The thing is, the world has bad things in it and I have no intention of trying to pad his world, hide him away, pretend that they don't exist, that others think differently, that some idiots think that killing themselves and overindulging is cool... in fact I plan on showing him that side of life and the result.
See how cool he looks driving, smoking a cigarette, talking on his cell phone after leaving the bar from having four martinis?
Now, let's see where this all will lead, shall we?
Not scare tactics, real information.
It has already started.
He knows about death, the cycle of life, where meat comes from, what happens to criminals, anything he asks he gets a straight answer to.
Sheltering kids is abuse.

[DanaC]

I'm also not suggesting that you a) shelter your child, or b) tell him never to smoke.

My dad was a smoker. And he hated the fact he was addicted to them (something I now fully comprehend). He tried so many times to quit, or to at least change the nature of the habit to something less devastatin to his health. Used gum, used those tobacco pouches, smoked a little clay pipe for a while.

When I was little he didn't really talk about it much, other than to tell me I probably wouldn't like the taste. This was the same tactic he'd used when I wanted to try drinking whiskey. I insisted with the whiskey that I might like it....he let me have a sip and I thought it was the worst thing I'd ever tasted. I didn't ask to try the cigarette. As I got a little older and he went through a stage of using those 'bandits' tobacco pouches, I got a little braver and asked if i could taste one. He repeated that he didn't think I'd like them, and at the same time explained what addiction to tobacco meant, and that the pouches were his way of trying to stop smoking cigarettes. I insisted I wanted to taste, and he let me. It was pretty disgusting to my 10 yr old palate :P

At the age of 12, fully 'aware' of the health risks associated with tobacco, having seen its effects on other people and having been told stuff by mum ( a nurse) about people she was caring for (not a scare story, just incidental anecdotes of life on the ward), I started smoking.

I am not, nor do I believe I ever was, a moron. What I was, was a child of 12, aware of the dangers, but unable to connect those dangers to myself. In just the same way as a 12 year old knows they will age and turn into old people, but doesn't really believe it, so I knew the dangers, but didn't really believe them.

That grasp of the personal enormity of being an adult and getting older is something that comes later in life. We have what we think is a grasp as children, but then we grow up and realise...what we had was the frame of knowledge upon which that understanding would hang. Teaching your son the dangers and him understanding the message, may not be enough to stop him acting in a way that may damage him, whilst still too young to grasp those concepts fully.


[eta] Dad's now dying of a serious lung disease. I am a habitual smoker who intermittently tries to stop, sometimes succeeding for days or weeks, once over a year.