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Today is the last day of March. There are 275 days remaining in the year, and 268 days until Christmas. Also observed today is International Transgender Day of Visibility, as well as New Jersey's Thomas Mundy Peterson Day, and the U.S. Virgin Islands' Transfer Day. Events 1492 Queen Isabella of Castile issues the Alhambra Decree, ordering her 150,000 Jewish and Muslim subjects to convert to Christianity or face expulsion. 1774 American Revolutionary War: The Kingdom of Great Britain orders the port of Boston, Massachusetts closed pursuant to the Boston Port Act. 1889 The Eiffel Tower is officially opened. 1906 The Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (later the National Collegiate Athletic Association) is established to set rules for college sports in the United States. 1917 The United States takes possession of the Danish West Indies after paying $25 million to Denmark, and renames the territory the United States Virgin Islands. 1918 Daylight saving time goes into effect in the United States for the first time. 1921 The Royal Australian Air Force is formed. 1930 The Motion Picture Production Code is instituted, imposing strict guidelines on the treatment of sex, crime, religion and violence in film, in the U.S., for the next thirty-eight years. 1931 TWA Flight 599 crashes near Bazaar, Kansas, killing eight, including University of Notre Dame head football coach Knute Rockne. 1945 World War II: A defecting German pilot delivers a Messerschmitt Me 262A-1, the world's first operational jet-powered fighter aircraft, to the Americans, the first to fall into Allied hands. 1951 Remington Rand delivers the first UNIVAC I computer to the United States Census Bureau. 1959 The 14th Dalai Lama, crosses the border into India and is granted political asylum. 1985 The first WrestleMania, the biggest wrestling event from the WWE (then the WWF), takes place in Madison Square Garden in New York City. 1990 Approximately 200,000 protesters take to the streets of London to protest against the newly introduced Poll Tax. 1991 Georgian independence referendum, 1991: Nearly 99 percent of the voters support the country's independence from the Soviet Union. 1992 The USS Missouri, the last active United States Navy battleship, is decommissioned in Long Beach, California. 1997 The first episode of Teletubbies is aired on BBC. 1998 Netscape releases Mozilla source code under an open source license. 2004 Iraq War in Anbar Province: In Fallujah, Iraq, four American private military contractors working for Blackwater USA, are killed after being ambushed. Their beaten, burned bodies were dragged through the streets of Fallujah before being hung from a bridge over the Euphrates River. ![]() ![]() 1596 Renι Descartes, 1685 Johann Sebastian Bach, 1732 Joseph Haydn, 1809 Nikolai Gogol, 1878 Jack Johnson, 1922 Richard Kiley, 1924 Leo Buscaglia, 1927 Cesar Chavez, 1927 William Daniels, 1927 Vladimir Ilyushin, 1928 Lefty Frizzell, 1928 Gordie Howe, 1929 Liz Claiborne, 1934 Shirley Jones, 1934 John D. Loudermilk, 1935 Herb Alpert, 1940 Barney Frank, 1940 Patrick Leahy, 1942 Michael Savage, 1943 Christopher Walken, 1944 Mick Ralphs, 1945 Gabe Kaplan, 1948 Al Gore, 1948 Rhea Perlman, 1950 Ed Marinaro, 1955 Angus Young, 1965 William McNamara, 1971 Ewan McGregor, 1972 Evan Williams, 1980 Kate Micucci, 1981 Ryan Bingham ![]() ![]() 32 BC Titus Pomponius Atticus, 1850 John C. Calhoun, 1855 Charlotte Brontλ, 1913 J. P. Morgan, 1931 Knute Rockne, 1976 Paul Strand, 1980 Jesse Owens, 1981 Enid Bagnold, 1993 Brandon Lee, 1995 Selena, 1998 Bella Abzug, 1998 Tim Flock, 2005 Frank Perdue, 2014 Charles Keating, 2016 Ronnie Corbett
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Prior to that, when we were at the barricades outside Downing Street,weweredoing that protestor thing of shouting at the police behind the barricades - and the police were doing their thing of landing a punch if anyone got too close to the barrier - we had this young lass with us- about a year younger than us in years, but much younger looking and a little naive. She'd sort of attached herself to me and J through our local circle of friends and other students and had decided to come with us on the demo. She got a little enthusiastic and was pushing up against the barrier A police officer behind the barricade threw a single full force punch and she dropped - as she started to drop two cops leaned over the barrier and were trying to drag her over to their side - we pulled her back towards us and she fell back into our crowd but she lost her shoe.* Don't know what sparked the other flashpoints on that demo - because there were many different ones - but in our little stretch of the demo, it was a burly cop in body armour punching a young-looking and very small teenage girl in the face. * after dragging her back, with her conscious but woozy, we got her to the nearest first aidstation which was very close fortunately. I have a very clear recollection of approaching that first aid station - there were people sat about with bleeding heads - making our way along the main route, towards the front line of police, every so often you'd see someone coming back the other way, holding a broken wrist or being led along by a friend whilst pressing a t-shirt to their head, and blood all down their front. It was quite an unnerving experience. Exciting and exhilarating when you're in it - but also unnerving and the second you let yourself think about the situation you're walking right into really scary.
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What you witnessed; was that a legacy of attitudes back then? Did authority attitudes (in UK) towards violent and unrestrained enforcement change significantly since then? Was that an example of less violence by authorities? Have better techniques been deployed to avert the resulting violence and aggression? Your impression? |
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Why does "This Day in History" not include benchmarks of The Cellar? Maybe we need more local news. Then we can really get depressed.
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The Un-Tuckian
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More local news? Local to whom? Me? You? Dana? Ali? We are the world. It has been stated more than once that additions and/or corrections are welcome. Knock yourself out. Please. Unless you just wanted to bitch about something.
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Don't feed the troll, Digr, unless you want to get into a protracted senseless, debate.
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Today is April Fools' Day. Trust no one. Today is also Edible Book Day. This date is also marked as Fossil Fools' Day. Events 325 Crown Prince Jin Chengdi, age 4, succeeds his father Jin Mingdi as emperor of the Eastern Jin dynasty. 528 The daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei was made the "Emperor" as a male heir of the late emperor by Empress Dowager Hu, deposed and replaced by Yuan Zhao the next day, she was the first female monarch in the history of China, but was not widely recognized. 1293 Robert Winchelsey left England for Rome to be consecrated as Archbishop of Canterbury by the Pope, only to find that there wasn't one. 1318 Berwick-upon-Tweed is captured by Scotland from England. 1545 Potosν is founded after the discovery of huge silver deposits in the area. <---Interesting read. 1789 In New York City, the United States House of Representatives holds its first quorum and elects Frederick Muhlenberg of Pennsylvania as its first Speaker. 1865 American Civil War: Union troops led by Philip Sheridan decisively defeat Confederate troops led by George Pickett, cutting the Army of Northern Virginia's last supply line. 1873 The White Star steamer RMS Atlantic sinks off Nova Scotia, killing 547 in one of the worst marine disasters of the 19th century. Particularly interesting part here. 1891 The Wrigley Company is founded in Chicago, Illinois. 1924 Adolf Hitler is sentenced to five years imprisonment for his participation in the "Beer Hall Putsch" but spends only nine months in jail. 1945 World War II: The Tenth United States Army attacks the Thirty-Second Japanese Army on Okinawa. 1946 The 8.6 Mw Aleutian Islands earthquake shakes the Aleutian Islands with a maximum Mercalli intensity of VI (Strong). A destructive tsunami reaches the Hawaiian Islands resulting in dozens of deaths, mostly in Hilo, Hawaii. 1947 The only mutiny in the history of the Royal New Zealand Navy begins. 1954 United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorizes the creation of the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado. 1960 The TIROS-1 satellite transmits the first television picture from space. 1970 President Richard Nixon signs the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act into law, requiring the Surgeon General's warnings on tobacco products and banning cigarette advertising on television and radio in the United States, effective 1 January 1971. 1973 Project Tiger, a tiger conservation project, is launched in the Jim Corbett National Park, India. 1976 Apple Inc. is formed by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, and Ronald Wayne in Cupertino, California, USA. Ronald Wayne sold his interest in Apple for (ultimately) $2300 (~$9296 in 2016 dollars), had he kept it, his 10% stake would be worth over $75,500,000,000 (says Wikipedia). ![]() 1979 Iran becomes an Islamic republic by a 99% vote, officially overthrowing the Shah. 1989 Margaret Thatcher's new local government tax, the Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax"), is introduced in Scotland. 1997 Comet HaleBopp is seen passing at perihelion. 2001 An EP-3E United States Navy surveillance aircraft collides with a Chinese People's Liberation Army Shenyang J-8 fighter jet. The Navy crew makes an emergency landing in Hainan, China and is detained. 2001 Former President of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Slobodan Miloević surrenders to police special forces, to be tried on war crimes charges. 2001 Same-sex marriage becomes legal in the Netherlands, the first contemporary country to allow it. 2004 Google announces Gmail to the public. ![]() ![]() 1697 Antoine Franηois Prιvost, 1815 Otto von Bismarck, 1823 Simon Bolivar Buckner, 1873 Sergei Rachmaninoff ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1204 Eleanor of Aquitaine, 1839 Benjamin Pierce, 1917 Scott Joplin ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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The police force has had to do a lot of learning in the last 20 or so years. To their credit I think for the most part there has been a fairly profound attitude and culture shift at all levels The Poll Tax demo is not the only example of police effectively turning a heated situation into an explosively violent one. It was one of the later ones - there were a few other occasions where the same thing happened - the anti-nazi demonstration against the election of the first BNP local councillor in 1992 was one - I was also at that and that was seriously scary shit.* The police used the kettling technique again and that also turned into a major riot through the streets of London. The police response both to the situation itself, and the resultant press coverage and reporting of the incident, was often problematic - the way the police acted and then covered up the true story whilst blaming the victims of the Hillsborough disaster followed a similar pattern. To me, the two demos in London represent an older type of police response - more in line with the way they responded to the striking miners in the 80s. Often during times when the police have been heavy-handed and violent towards demonstrators, and things have escalated to a pitched battle, the police at the centre of the violence are reported by witnesses to have no number showing on their collar. It has been suggested by some (some credible, others less credible) that the government of the day brought soldiers in, in police uniform. I don't know about that. To see how the police have changed in such matters, you only really have to look at how they responded to the rioters in several cities a few years ago - kettling was not employed, they did everything they could to try to diffuse the situation rather than inflame it. * at the anti-nazi demo I saw both the worst and best of policing. Tensions were high - this wasn't a jolly carnival like the poll tax demo had started out, rather it was a somber affair. And many of the people on that demo had experienced heavy handed police tactics before, in previous demos. The police employed similar tactics, the whole thing kicked off into an almighty fuck up. Imagine this: police with body armour, helmets and riot shields in front of you - lines of police with dogs on either side. Then the shout goes up, they've split the crowd - you've been boxed in and the police with shields and batons are starting to move slowly forward. But - I also remember trying to get back to the coach park, me and J and a bunch of others - there were still lots of people running about, some were rioting and looting and there were fights between this group of skinheads and that group of anti-fascist activists and now it's getting dark - our little group of about 9 or 10 slightly traumatised protestors were trying to traverse an area where things were being thrown - like bottles and bricks. And a truly lovely police officer (with number on collar and clearly an ordinary local cop) led us at a crouch, behind cars, away from the random brick fight, and then got us safely to the coach park.
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Oh, and maybe they were trying to drag that girl to get her to medical aid which wasn't busy on their side. ![]()
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27 years later, and how are we doing? Society hasn't punched enough small, teenage girls in the face, so we still have pointless civil unrest and freeloading troublemakers gumming up the works. Thank God for technology-driven, mass-scale intelligence gathering of private citizens, so we know who to hit with the warrant-less drone strikes.
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I did not. I saw the smoke when the South African embassy was set on fire - or a little part of it anyway.
This is an interesting section in wiki. And it brings to my mind something I'd kind of half forgotten about that time - the total disconnect between what was being reported and said about the riot - both on tv and in general conversation was completely at odds with what I had just experienced. Judah and I were there as SWP members. We were on one of the SWP coaches - we knew the people that were being characterised in the press as rabble-rousing anarchists, tantamount to terrorists and criminals - the names they were printiing were people whose talks we'd listened to at the SWP gathering in Scunthorpe. The SWP, for all its radical politics and presence within various instances of civil disobedience and industrial action, was a small-minded, rulesy grouping of people whose idea of political activity primarily rested in deep conversations at the bar of the social club, selling newspapers outside a pasty shop in town an writing interesting books for the left wing press whilst chowing down on kale and cous cous/pie and peas depending whether proudly working class or shame-faced middle class. When I left the SWP it was after a ridiculous argument, in a pub, about the limits and definition of democratic centralism. After the demo, people's attitude to it, to the people demonstrating and the 'poor police' who faced down the uncontrollable, angry mob, who had been riled into action by black flag waving anarchists and militant lefties, and against whom the police had been forced to use harsh tactics - was very dispiriting. It was a few years before the narrative started to shift and the police take ownership of how they had mishandled that demonstration and were the primary aggressors in it. One of my other memories of that day is that all the way along the first part of the route (can't give specifics it all just merged into one big crowd in a city I had never walked around in before - I was pretty much just following Jude) the police were so friendly. It was a carnival atmosphere - everypne was in a good mood. It was sunny and warm - there were people playing drums and pipes and some were juggling. There were parents with kids on their shoulders - a group of elderly women with a big banner saying 'Grannies Against the Poll Tax' We laughed and joked with the police lining the route and they laughed and joked back. The stewards were keeping everything orderly and getting the crowd going with chants and songs. I remember getting nearer to Downing Street and Judah saying to me' Look, no numbers' and pointed to the police - none of the police near the contested areas, seemed to have numbers on their collars. Most of these were in some sort of body armour. But we hadn't got to the full riot gear yet. But, they weren't smiling - there wasn't much of a carnival atmosphere then:P
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