This is MY America!

[jinx]

How about European origins?

The hypothesis proposes that Ice Age Europeans could have crossed the North Atlantic along the edge of the pack ice that extended from the Atlantic coast of France to North America during the last glacial maximum. The model envisions these people making the crossing in small watercraft, using skills similar to those of the modern Inuit people, hauling out on ice floes at night, getting fresh water by melting iceberg ice or the first-frozen parts of sea ice, getting food by catching seals and fish, and using seal blubber as heating fuel.

Supporters of the hypothesis suggest that stone tools found at Cactus Hill (an early American site in Virginia) indicate a transitional style between the Clovis and Solutrean cultures. Artifacts from this site are estimated to date from 17,000 to 15,000 years ago, although some researchers dispute their definitive age. Other sites that may indicate transitional, pre-Clovis occupation include the Page-Ladson site in Florida and the Meadowcroft rockshelter in Pennsylvania.

[bluecuracao]

The Smithsonian suggests that too--the "X factor" (long, but worth a read).

[xoxoxoBruce]

National Geographic Atlas of The Human Journey

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Did you know that some people here in New Mexico openly refuse to do business with white people? I was told by a client that they were going to give all their money to "their own kind". Yeah, I wasn't too happy.

Uh huh, and there are people there who openly refuse to do business with, associate with, and/or are hostile toward non-whites--I've experienced it a few times myself; very ugly. New Mexico has long suffered from its share of racist attitudes, unfortunately.



Um...how the heck did this thread turn into a racism same-old-crap rehash anyway? I liked what we were talking about before.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

National Geographic Atlas of The Human Journey

That is a fascinating presentation...I'm now looking forward to seeing if they turn up anything else at Boqueirao de Pedra Furada, the cave in Brazil.

[piercehawkeye45]

There are a few things you have to remember, all racism or discrimination (you can play with words) produced by blacks or minorities is in response to white supremacy. It is still bad but you can not attack a product, you have to go for the source.

Second, while blacks may get some media attention (I'm sure it can go the other way around as well...whites get more news coverage then blacks), they are still discriminated against in almost every respect in American society. The way we are raised and taught in schools, especially suburban, teaches whites to be white supremacist.

Every law that is supposed to help minorities is just a kick in the balls. AA helps white women more than minorities. Black History Month is a plain out insult. Hopefully you can agree that every month is white history month so we in return give them one? Why isn't every month black history month just like it is white history month?

The groups like NAACP, while I sometimes disagree on how extreme they can go, are, usually, trying to point out racism by whites like the situation with the "nappy headed hoes". Their "race" (I don't believe in race) has so many negative stereotypes that this will hurt them more because there aren't many negative stereotypes about whites.

If you want to play with definitions you can say that only whites can practice racism and blacks can only discriminate because only whites have the power to control people now. I don't totally agree with that but it works 95% of the time.

I really hope you don't believe that blacks have it easier than whites because of stupid things like the nappy headed hoe comment and the controversy that followed. The playing ground for blacks and whites are not even close to even so don't get too worked up over this.

The events you posted are tragic but it works the other way around like I mentioned before. I wouldn't classify anything you said as racism, just selective news coverage.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

There are a few things you have to remember, all racism or discrimination (you can play with words) produced by blacks or minorities is in response to white supremacy. It is still bad but you can not attack a product, you have to go for the source.

Second, while blacks may get some media attention (I'm sure it can go the other way around as well...whites get more news coverage then blacks), they are still discriminated against in almost every respect in American society. The way we are raised and taught in schools, especially suburban, teaches whites to be white supremacist.

Every law that is supposed to help minorities is just a kick in the balls. AA helps white women more than minorities. Black History Month is a plain out insult. Hopefully you can agree that every month is white history month so we in return give them one? Why isn't every month black history month just like it is white history month?

The groups like NAACP, while I sometimes disagree on how extreme they can go, are, usually, trying to point out racism by whites like the situation with the "nappy headed hoes". Their "race" (I don't believe in race) has so many negative stereotypes that this will hurt them more because there aren't many negative stereotypes about whites.

If you want to play with definitions you can say that only whites can practice racism and blacks can only discriminate because only whites have the power to control people now. I don't totally agree with that but it works 95% of the time.

I really hope you don't believe that blacks have it easier than whites because of stupid things like the nappy headed hoe comment and the controversy that followed. The playing ground for blacks and whites are not even close to even so don't get too worked up over this.

The events you posted are tragic but it works the other way around like I mentioned before. I wouldn't classify anything you said as racism, just selective news coverage.

You are drinking the Kool-Aid my friend. Blacks in the US do not want equality, they want to be the masters and make whites the slaves, only then will they be happy. I am all for equality, but role reversal and discriminatory behavior by large groups of blacks, reinforced by stereotypes that their black hommies have taught them are not the cause of The White Man Keeping Them Down. The only people keeping them down are the people who need to profit off of such situations, the Farakan's, Jessie Jackson's, and Sharpton's of the world. MLK would roll over in his grave if he could see how his great ideas have been bastardized by so called "civil rights" leaders of today. Blacks have no one to blame for their failure to take advantage of the opportunities afforded minorities in the US but themselves. Choose other very successful legal immigrants, and some illegal, and the examples of their ability to grab hold of opportunities and advance their own personal success abound. Stop playing the race card and tell them to make something of themselves.

because there aren't many negative stereotypes about whites.

AAAAaaahhaaaahahahahahahaah!!!!!

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The playing ground for blacks and whites are not even close to even so don't get too worked up over this.

Correlation does not equal causation. In almost every single set of success/failure statistics gathered, the imbalance disappears when you control for socioeconomic status, not race. That is, the playing field is not level for poor people, not blacks. Solve the economic issues, and the perceived racism disappears.*


*As an example of how to do this, in Texas everyone who graduates in the top 10% of their class gets automatic admission to any state university. Doesn't matter if they graduated from the poorest ghetto high school and couldn't hold a candle to the bottom 25th percent of a rich suburban school. This way kids who do the best they can with the environment they're born into are given a chance to succeed, regardless of their race.

[piercehawkeye45]

While I somewhat agree with you, when the poor schools are 98% non-white, it is very difficult to keep race out of it. It is very difficult to separate racism from classism today because you can make a racist law in the form of a classist law since a big majority of the poor are non-whites. White supremacy is still around and that can be seen because of white privilege.

*As an example of how to do this, in Texas everyone who graduates in the top 10% of their class gets automatic admission to any state university. Doesn't matter if they graduated from the poorest ghetto high school and couldn't hold a candle to the bottom 25th percent of a rich suburban school. This way kids who do the best they can with the environment they're born into are given a chance to succeed, regardless of their race.

That is a very good idea. I am certain that racism in this country will go away when the classes (upper, middle, lower) are all racially integrated.

[piercehawkeye45]

Merc, please tell me you didn't mean the whole black population.

If you said some want to switch the roles around I would agree with you but from the people I've talked too, that is not true. Most just want equality and not to be discriminated against just as most whites want the same for them.

Stop playing the race card and tell them to make something of themselves.

This is much easier said then done. To start from the bottom to get to top or even the middle is extremely hard for anyone. They have social pressures that are unheard of in most white schools and there is a feeling of hopelessness for many of their futures.

If you talk to kids in mostly white schools and ask them what they want to be in the future, many say doctors or lawyers while if you go to a mostly black school and ask the same age kids the same questions you will get more basketball players and rappers*. This is a prime example of a social force that is holding blacks down, not the poor, because of representation. It is a trap that will hurt them until something is changed.

It is our job to help get rid of the white supremacy and it is their job to take advantage of that when they do get an equal chance.

*I got this from an essay I read in English class this year. I tried to find the essay but I can’t, it may not be open to the public or I just can’t find it. It explained the struggles of minorities in America very well

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Merc, please tell me you didn't mean the whole black population.

No, I don't mean to imply that anymore than you do when you make generalizations about the white population.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, I don't mean to imply that anymore than you do when you make generalizations about the white population.

I meant white by white-controlled system. It is something that neither of us have any control over.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I meant white by white-controlled system. It is something that neither of us have any control over.

Well, do you think that the majority of "systems" that are "white controlled" are controlled with the thought of "whiteness" and how can we oppress blacks today? I am not about to state that discrimination does not occur. I am just saying it is a two way street and that we need to stop blaming others for our current plight in life and that much of the current situation is the fault of our own upbringing. I am one that believes that hard work and determination can overcome much of these lost opportunities. I see it all the time.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

This is much easier said then done. To start from the bottom to get to top or even the middle is extremely hard for anyone. They have social pressures that are unheard of in most white schools and there is a feeling of hopelessness for many of their futures.

If you talk to kids in mostly white schools and ask them what they want to be in the future, many say doctors or lawyers while if you go to a mostly black school and ask the same age kids the same questions you will get more basketball players and rappers*. This is a prime example of a social force that is holding blacks down, not the poor, because of representation. It is a trap that will hurt them until something is changed.

And this is the fault of white people? This is a cultural failing on their part. What is the percentage of two parent families in black culture? How about teen pregnancy? Drug use, crime? Sooner or later the Black culture will need to stop blaming others for their situations and look for solutions within. Few black leaders have stepped up to the plate to call their own culture on these short comings, I know Bill Cosby has, other than that, not very many.

It is our job to help get rid of the white supremacy and it is their job to take advantage of that when they do get an equal chance.

I would agree, but note that changes will not occur until blacks recognize that many of the problems that exist today are problems that they are responsible for, not some esoteric White Man on a plantation keep them down.

[piercehawkeye45]

For the people with power (as of now) , it is only a one-way street because only whites have power.

The white supremacy is institutionalized, that is the problem, we don't notice it. You don't have to be against minorities to hurt them, you just to not have to notice that you are thinking that (white=normal and white=better) subconsciously.

I need to stress the last word again, subconsciously.