Do You Own a Gun? - Page 25

Ibby · 05-21-2007, 08:25 PM

"IF you give up the guns, THEN we wont be scared of you.

if you want us (or dont mind us) being scared of you, go ahead and keep them."

(note once again that this isn't how I think, only my take on the situation and my take on how some people think)

Radar · 05-21-2007, 08:57 PM

The fact of the matter is gun control laws cost human lives and do nothing to prevent crime. Gun control laws have never been about guns. They've been about control...controlling the population and keeping them from being able to mount an effective defense from government tyranny.

Gun control laws worked very well for the Nazi party. They knew exactly which houses to go to in order to disarm people so they would be more easily victimized.

Aliantha · 05-21-2007, 09:02 PM

Well if you decriminalize drugs you've just got a whole different argument to sort out haven't you?

I'm not trying to separate anyones rights from anything. I just asked a question.

05-21-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well if you decriminalize drugs you've just got a whole different argument to sort out haven't you?

I don't think so.
Then again, I don't believe in a totalitarian/nanny government.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'm not trying to separate anyones rights from anything. I just asked a question.

It was a leading question.
It implied that those of us legally owning weapons were, somehow, at fault for those illegally in possession of one.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Aliantha · 05-21-2007, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It was a leading question.
It implied that those of us legally owning weapons were, somehow, at fault for those illegally in possession of one.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Nope, not a leading question. Just a plain old ordinary every day question. If you were going to give it any title I'd say it'd be hypothetical because any solution anyone suggests is certainly not likely to be enacted any time in the immediate future.

Please don't turn this into another slanging match.

05-21-2007, 09:20 PM

No sweat, if that is not what you meant and you feel that legal gun owners have no connection to illegal gun activity and you had no intention of implying that, please say so.

Aliantha · 05-21-2007, 09:21 PM

That was the first line of the post that began this discussion rkz. Have another look if you don't believe me.

05-21-2007, 09:51 PM

You can't limit the possible futures of what some may do with legally obtained weapons and should not limit the rights of legal gun owners based on how illegal owners behave. That is all.

Aliantha · 05-21-2007, 09:53 PM

I have not suggested that anyone should. Get together with Radar and buy some WMD's if you want.

I asked what to do about the illegal aspects. That is all.

05-21-2007, 09:55 PM

And you heard my answer.

Aliantha · 05-21-2007, 11:15 PM

Who knows. I just decided to try looking at it from a different angle that's all. I guess maybe people find it difficult to understand.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-22-2007, 12:35 AM

Or at least shot at.

Radar · 05-22-2007, 12:44 AM

If I shoot, you'll be shot.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-22-2007, 12:55 AM

Reducing you to the passive voice.

05-22-2007, 11:09 AM

This, gay marriage laws, pro-lifers, dress code laws for kids (yes, some towns have them), PMRC, the FCC's bullshit, etc, etc, etc... is all the same bullshit.
Some people believe they are better than others and they should be able to tell their neighbors how to live their life, what they should be able to do and what they should not be able to do, what they should be able to say and what they should not be able to say.
They will swear they do not want one while doing their damnedest to implement an oligarchy, theocracy or other form of oppressive, nanny, government.
This mindset is AFRAID of freedom or it resents anyone who thinks differently than they do. Honestly that is cool, as long as one does nothing about it... but these people try to change legislation to inhibit others from expressing alternate thoughts.
They don't like freedom.
I have said it before.
Freedom means that you must contend with other's ideas and actions as expressions of their freedom, just like you will.
What these people hate more than anything are those who do not agree with them... they cannot handle freedom, because freedom is not about them, it is about everyone.
We have seen it in here. People who cannot handle something as simple as someone disagreeing with them. In a free society it is simple, if you don't like a TV program, you don't watch it; if you don't like a radio station, you don't listen to it; if you don't like a certain type of film, don't go and if you don't like guns, you just don't buy one.

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05-21-2007, 08:25 PM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	"IF you give up the guns, THEN we wont be scared of you. if you want us (or dont mind us) being scared of you, go ahead and keep them." (note once again that this isn't how I think, only my take on the situation and my take on how some people think) __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-21-2007, 08:57 PM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The fact of the matter is gun control laws cost human lives and do nothing to prevent crime. Gun control laws have never been about guns. They've been about control...controlling the population and keeping them from being able to mount an effective defense from government tyranny. Gun control laws worked very well for the Nazi party. They knew exactly which houses to go to in order to disarm people so they would be more easily victimized. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-21-2007, 09:02 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well if you decriminalize drugs you've just got a whole different argument to sort out haven't you? I'm not trying to separate anyones rights from anything. I just asked a question. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-21-2007, 09:21 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	That was the first line of the post that began this discussion rkz. Have another look if you don't believe me. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-21-2007, 09:20 PM	#6
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	No sweat, if that is not what you meant and you feel that legal gun owners have no connection to illegal gun activity and you had no intention of implying that, please say so.

05-21-2007, 09:51 PM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	You can't limit the possible futures of what some may do with legally obtained weapons and should not limit the rights of legal gun owners based on how illegal owners behave. That is all.

05-21-2007, 09:53 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I have not suggested that anyone should. Get together with Radar and buy some WMD's if you want. I asked what to do about the illegal aspects. That is all. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-21-2007, 09:55 PM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	And you heard my answer.

05-21-2007, 11:15 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Who knows. I just decided to try looking at it from a different angle that's all. I guess maybe people find it difficult to understand. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-22-2007, 12:35 AM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Or at least shot at.

05-22-2007, 12:44 AM	#13
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	If I shoot, you'll be shot. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-22-2007, 12:55 AM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Reducing you to the passive voice. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-22-2007, 11:09 AM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	This, gay marriage laws, pro-lifers, dress code laws for kids (yes, some towns have them), PMRC, the FCC's bullshit, etc, etc, etc... is all the same bullshit. Some people believe they are better than others and they should be able to tell their neighbors how to live their life, what they should be able to do and what they should not be able to do, what they should be able to say and what they should not be able to say. They will swear they do not want one while doing their damnedest to implement an oligarchy, theocracy or other form of oppressive, nanny, government. This mindset is AFRAID of freedom or it resents anyone who thinks differently than they do. Honestly that is cool, as long as one does nothing about it... but these people try to change legislation to inhibit others from expressing alternate thoughts. They don't like freedom. I have said it before. Freedom means that you must contend with other's ideas and actions as expressions of their freedom, just like you will. What these people hate more than anything are those who do not agree with them... they cannot handle freedom, because freedom is not about them, it is about everyone. We have seen it in here. People who cannot handle something as simple as someone disagreeing with them. In a free society it is simple, if you don't like a TV program, you don't watch it; if you don't like a radio station, you don't listen to it; if you don't like a certain type of film, don't go and if you don't like guns, you just don't buy one.

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