Shooting at Virginia Tech

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by zippyt

Look at this and wounder WHY kids Kill !!!

I'm going to hell for laughing so loudly at that.

[freshnesschronic]

I just watched some video of Cho on ebaumsworld. (He has no accent at all, by the way)

That man was so out of touch with everything that I felt painfully awkward when I viewed it. I support the moment of silence tomorrow at 11 AM in the United States. I will also wear orange and maroon to support Virginia Tech. Man, some things in this life are just unneccessary and irrelevant and the consequences are devastating and disgusting.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Duck duck, I'm sorry but you are very much mistaken, and following that particular mistake leads to genocides, as has been demonstrated seven or eight times in the last century. Armed populations do not suffer genocides because they can kill off the Einsatzkommandos before they can have sufficient effect -- it took the available might of the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS plus the Romanian Iron Guard and Gestapo an entire month to reduce the Warsaw Ghetto. Now imagine the likely outcome of the Final Solution if every Jew in Europe had had a Mauser Kar-98 and two hundred rounds of ready ammunition -- I mean, would anyone disapprove of an empty Auschwitz and a heap of dead Nazis?

It is wise to prevent genocides, and there is only one known way: stay armed. Genocides happen when three factors come together: hatred, government/state power, and gun control laws.

That is an unrealistic comparison because guns are designed weapons and cars are not.

Funnily enough, automobile accidents are by the numbers thirty-five times as lethal as firearms accidents, and even deliberate homicides only increase the numbers to approximate parity -- and a third of the homicides are ruled justifiable: lawful, that is. Killing bad guys. What's more, two-thirds of the unjustifiables are bad guys on bad guys. This is a net social plus no matter what your point of view is.

We may sum up the Virginia Tech massacre in very simple terms: in places where strong gun control is in place (college campuses generally are such), what you have created is hunting preserves for crazies.

And there is a solution to this kind of problem. It's not exactly nice, but then, getting murdered isn't very nice either, is it? I'll tell you what it is later.

The other thing that really strikes me is how much general resemblance there is between Cho Seung-Hui's diatribe and Ted Kascinski's manifesto: there are lengthy listings of grievances that are in the authors' eyes monstrous, enormous wrongs; there's a fury of resentment -- and then there's a complete inability to come up with any solution or resolution of any of it. They will make some approach to figuring out how to resolve it but will stop short of doing so; there is an incompleteness to their thinking. It stops at the sound and fury and at the revenge fantasy.

[duck_duck]

There was also genocide in america by the government towards an armed native american population and most of them died anyway. If you want to prevent genocide then the civilized nations of the world should be proactive in preventing monsters like hitler, stalin, saddam etc. from coming to power or staying in power.

As for automobile deaths, what does that have to do with guns? It is not a numbers game and it isn't realistic to compare the two. You cannot ban cars and they are not made as weapons. Just because one has a greater number of deaths per year does not mean the lesser is ok.
Also pointing out college campuses have gun control doesn't mean anything since anybody can walk off said campus, go buy a gun and then walk back on the campus and kill at will.
I understand the pro-gun argument and believe most american gun owners are good people but making guns so available in a nation makes it that much easier for the bad guys to get them.
America should not only ban it's guns but make sure anybody who is ever convicted of a violent crime, never see the light of day ever again.

[AgentApathy]

The US is NOT the most violent nation in the world for gun violence. There's a chart here: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html that lists firearm deaths per 100,000. The US comes in at 3.72/100,000 and interestingly enough Northern Ireland comes in at 5.24, Brazil at 10.58, Estonia at 8.07, Mexico at 9.88, and Italy, even at 1.88! Italy comes in at more than half what the US does, but I don't ever hear of anyone cancelling honeymoons to Italy or Ireland or trips to Carnivale because they are afraid of being shot.

It's your choice to live in fear. Duck duck, I've read enough of your drivel here that I sincerely hope that you never come back to my country. We have our problems, but your country has its own. With your head that firmly stuck in the sand, my only wish is that the internet didn't have subterranean reach.

[duck_duck]

Originally Posted by AgentApathy

The US is NOT the most violent nation in the world for gun violence. There's a chart here: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html that lists firearm deaths per 100,000. The US comes in at 3.72/100,000 and interestingly enough Northern Ireland comes in at 5.24, Brazil at 10.58, Estonia at 8.07, Mexico at 9.88, and Italy, even at 1.88! Italy comes in at more than half what the US does, but I don't ever hear of anyone cancelling honeymoons to Italy or Ireland or trips to Carnivale because they are afraid of being shot.

It's your choice to live in fear. Duck duck, I've read enough of your drivel here that I sincerely hope that you never come back to my country. We have our problems, but your country has its own. With your head that firmly stuck in the sand, my only wish is that the internet didn't have subterranean reach.

I never said america was the most violent nation in the world for gun violence. Maybe you should actually pay attention to what people are saying before spouting off your rubbish. Perhaps a good reading comprehension course would do you good as soon as you leave that fantasy world you live in.

[Shawnee123]

Dammit, quit making coffee come out my nose. You are SO funny!

[freshnesschronic]

Whatever. I'm gonna stick with my original post like 4 posts earlier.

[TheMercenary]

I know! let's ban guns and go to the cutting tools, that way we can prevent violent death by lethal means! Our government will protect us. They know best.

Ok, ok, I know that they killed 800,000 people in 100 days in Rawanda in 1994... but that was a loooonnnggg time ago. Ignore that. At least they didn't have evil guns because who knows how many they could have killed in that 100 days.

[BigV]

You seriously don't know what's so funny?

Handguns are NOT DESIGNED to kill.

Funny as irony or funny as utter ignorance, works either way.

How did those people die? Were they all "self-defensed" to death? They were "protected" to death? Maybe the handguns were designed to ... intimidate, to frighten potential threats. Were the victims "scared" to death?

Tell you what, I'll give you a pass on this one, we're all upset, you and me both, and I'll just let slide your clearly false statement. A slip of the fingers in the heat of an argument. You come back to this post in a week and revisit your position on the designed intent of handguns, and we'll talk.

[Shawnee123]

Oh god, more stats. I don't know what's worse, all the stats being thrown about or the ignorance.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I don't know what's worse, all the stats being thrown about or the ignorance.

I guess in your experience your ignorance trumps someone elses ignorance, right?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I guess in your experience your ignorance trumps someone elses ignorance, right?

Everything about me trumps everything about everyone else. Didn't you know that? Start listening.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Everything about me trumps everything about everyone else. Didn't you know that? Start listening.

Were you talking?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Were you talking?

Yep, if you'd quit staring at my tits and jacking off, you might hear something from time to time.