08ama!

[xiphos]

I am voting for McCain. We don't know what would happen if we just pulled the troops out of Iraq. I mean, if we do it now, the terrorists are mad we attacked them and won, and will aswell attack us w/ another tragedy like 911.

[Tink]

Well I am pretty torn about whether to even vote in the Washington primary tomorrow. When the choice has been taken away from me as to whether I have a say in delegate votes (the state has already said our vote will not count) why go to the polls then? To what end?
Pretty pissed about that one.

[deadbeater]

Originally Posted by xiphos

I am voting for McCain. We don't know what would happen if we just pulled the troops out of Iraq. I mean, if we do it now, the terrorists are mad we attacked them and won, and will aswell attack us w/ another tragedy like 911.

What we do while withdrawing from Iraq of course is to focus on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, something Bush and McCain forgot to do.

And why the vote in Washington won't count? Oh, among Republicans.

[Tink]

Originally Posted by deadbeater

And why the vote in Washington won't count? Oh, among Republicans.

Republican votes count. Dems do not. The Dems have decided that the caucuses chose the delegates.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xiphos

We don't know what would happen if we just pulled the troops out of Iraq. I mean, if we do it now, the terrorists are mad we attacked them and won, and will aswell attack us w/ another tragedy like 911.

Which is why extremists call them terrorists. They are insurgents. When American troops leave, then the numerous parties in that civil war must decide to fight or compromise. Of course, the so called 'terrorists' - Sahdr's Mahdi army - has gone quiet. A ceasefire. Arming, recruiting, and training for the eventual conclusion to that civil war. Terrorists? Classic mental midget propaganda. Sahdr is reported to be in Qom doing long neglected religious study. His army has all but taken Baghdad and is now awaiting the conclusion of what is only a civil war.

Since Sahdr and others have decided to wait out for the eventual conclusion, then George Jr can claim a mythical Al Qaeda has been defeated.

Deja vue Nam when the US government also declared victory following Tet. The year following Tet also was declared proof of an American victory while combatants were only recruiting, rearming, and rebuilding. Vietnam also was only a civil war despite rhetoric from the American government that said otherwise. If we don't stop them in Nam, then we will be next. How many times do we blindly believe the little boy who cries "Wolf"? Iraq is in civil war. If you don't grasp that, then you become fodder for extremists. "Domino Theory" also justified a war where the enemy of the people was more often a S Vietnamese government. Again, civil war.

[deadbeater]

So Tink, why not go to a caucus?

[Tink]

Originally Posted by deadbeater

So Tink, why not go to a caucus?

I was in Vegas for work. Otherwise I would have. This is a first for the state. Totally sucks. BigV went but currently we are voting for different folks. I could have cancelled him out. Shit!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Just in case I hadn't mentioned it so far, it's a lot of the same ol' same ol'... just as it's been since 1991, the Democrats still aren't peddling a single idea I want to buy, or couldn't get a better version of from either the Libertarians or the Republicans. And the Republicans are better than the Democrats and the Libertarians put together at winning a war.

That will likely remain true for a generation.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And the Republicans are better than the Democrats and the Libertarians put together at *starting* a war.

[deadbeater]

And why was there a domino in the first place? Because the US inadvertently propped some such hideous governments (such as Pol Pot in Cambodia) that the Communist Vietnemese had to intervene.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Sorry, Flint: you should check back on which President got Vietnam going and which President unsuccessfully escalated it.

I don't think you did a good job of "fixing."

Ann Coulter was right about the Democrats' penchant for making war unsuccessfully, you know. Either a no-victory situation, or a unilateral and not necessarily accurate declaration that the war was unwinnable. Don't complain about starting wars -- not against the sort of people we fight with, who are invariably totalitarian scum determined to perpetrate abuses and inhuman regimes. Complain about losing wars to such wretches. We don't get in brawls with decent places that have democracies. That seems to be an essential, to my way of thinking.

[deadbeater]

Making war unsuccessfully like WW2 and Bosnia. And I suppose the GOP wars just as well(Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, easy wars that turn into 'hard slogs', particularly the last 2).
As far as I'm concerned Ann revises history just like her friend Dinesh D'Souza.

[skysidhe]

As registered democrat I am voting for McCain. It is my thinking that Obama can't win the debates. I am thinking the independants will come off their emotional high they will move right to the McCain camp.

I could be wrong and this strong emotialism continues and people won't use their brains AGAIN when chosing a canadate and they chose personality over substance because bush too said he was going to be a uniter and not a divider and he ( obama ) brings bad tidings then what?

I am so upset with the Hilary campain. If was hers to lose. grr

[deadbeater]

'Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran'

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKINg8DCUo&NR=1

[xoxoxoBruce]

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