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wolf · 01-09-2007, 01:02 PM

All I know for sure is that feminists screwed up The Mummers.

yesman065 · 01-09-2007, 01:11 PM

Then thank them for me. I've been here (Philly burbs) for 30 years or so and seen the parade live a couple times. Still just isn't my kinda fun.

warch · 01-09-2007, 04:51 PM

I'm a feminist. Proud to be, however you want to spin it. I believe that women and men should be valued equally as human beings. And feminism exists because of the vast histories of this not being the case.

I am thankful for the uppity grandmas that got spit on and thrown in jail to give me the vote and allow me to go to college. Oh, and that dared to "plan their parenthood". I am very glad to have been born in the last half of the 20th century in North America, and of moderate white privilege. If you think the concerns of feminists are passe, trivial, then you really haven't been paying attention to Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Pakistan, Thailand, etc., etc.

Let's look at those tough US female fighter pilots again!
Yeah, I'm a feminist.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-09-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

And the neighbors were aggressive, marauding, egocentric males, so it's really no surprise.

The more things change...

That's exactly my point. Any government/society that wants a piece of this planet has to be strong enough to hold it. Patriarchal societies usually make that a priority, sometimes at the expense of everything else, whereas Matriarchal societies stress social improvement.

Since social improvement is desirable and strength necessary, the best solution is a balanced society where both sexes have input, both are respected and listened to. But that means nobody gets everything their own way.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-09-2007, 08:06 PM

To build a country you have to work in stages. First you have to establish a base then you have to improve it. Doing only one will just lead to failure.

bluecuracao · 01-10-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, it's neither hard to find or believe.

Alrighty then.

Shawnee123 · 01-10-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Since social improvement is desirable and strength necessary, the best solution is a balanced society where both sexes have input, both are respected and listened to. But that means nobody gets everything their own way.

And there we have it: the Utopian society of which we dream.

I agree Bruce. I just wish strength weren't so necessary. What is in us that makes us want to conquer, own, and control? As we evolve, will we ever lose the primal urges of our ancestors?

Clodfobble · 01-10-2007, 11:11 AM

No, because the minute we do, someone else will come along who hasn't lost those urges and wipe us out. It is a very effective survival skill to want to conquer, own and control.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2007, 11:31 AM

Or somebody will want what you've got and take it if they can. You can only have what you can defend. And being the biggest bad-ass on the block doesn't guarantee the bigger bad-ass on the next block won't covet your stuff.

So ladies, get involved in the process of running this country....you are the majority, remember. Grind down, or replace, the politicians until they give you the schools, parks, social programs, or whatever you want. Just never make the mistake, that the boys and their tanks and planes are just big over priced play toys. Defending what you've got, is very serious business and paramount to the utopia you want.

Get real, you're never gonna have it all. But rather than grouse about it, why not see how much you can get by getting involved. You may be surprised.

Shawnee123 · 01-10-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

No, because the minute we do, someone else will come along who hasn't lost those urges and wipe us out. It is a very effective survival skill to want to conquer, own and control.

I was speaking of mankind in general, not us and them.

Shawnee123 · 01-10-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Or somebody will want what you've got and take it if they can. You can only have what you can defend. And being the biggest bad-ass on the block doesn't guarantee the bigger bad-ass on the next block won't covet your stuff.

So ladies, get involved in the process of running this country....you are the majority, remember. Grind down, or replace, the politicians until they give you the schools, parks, social programs, or whatever you want. Just never make the mistake, that the boys and their tanks and planes are just big over priced play toys. Defending what you've got, is very serious business and paramount to the utopia you want.

Get real, you're never gonna have it all. But rather than grouse about it, why not see how much you can get by getting involved. You may be surprised.

Wow, I didn't think I was grousing...just thinking and expressing.

Guess I'll slowly back out of this thread. It's obviously dedicated solely to fact and leaves no room for pondering.

Aliantha · 01-10-2007, 05:29 PM

What is in us that makes us want to conquer, own, and control? As we evolve, will we ever lose the primal urges of our ancestors?

The Swiss seem to have managed it.

Clodfobble · 01-10-2007, 05:47 PM

Maybe the conquering part, but I think they're still pretty attached to owning and controlling the land of Switzerland. They certainly wouldn't just politely hand it over without a fuss if someone else wanted it.

Aliantha · 01-10-2007, 05:54 PM

Well there's not really anything wrong with wanting to control your own country. It's the conquering urge that causes conflict.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2007, 06:59 PM

Being small and landlocked may have something to do with their desire to avoid conflict.

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01-10-2007, 11:31 AM	#129
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Or somebody will want what you've got and take it if they can. You can only have what you can defend. And being the biggest bad-ass on the block doesn't guarantee the bigger bad-ass on the next block won't covet your stuff. So ladies, get involved in the process of running this country....you are the majority, remember. Grind down, or replace, the politicians until they give you the schools, parks, social programs, or whatever you want. Just never make the mistake, that the boys and their tanks and planes are just big over priced play toys. Defending what you've got, is very serious business and paramount to the utopia you want. Get real, you're never gonna have it all. But rather than grouse about it, why not see how much you can get by getting involved. You may be surprised. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-10-2007, 05:29 PM	#132
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What is in us that makes us want to conquer, own, and control? As we evolve, will we ever lose the primal urges of our ancestors? The Swiss seem to have managed it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-10-2007, 05:54 PM	#134
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well there's not really anything wrong with wanting to control your own country. It's the conquering urge that causes conflict. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-10-2007, 06:59 PM	#135
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Being small and landlocked may have something to do with their desire to avoid conflict. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-09-2007, 01:11 PM	#122
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Then thank them for me. I've been here (Philly burbs) for 30 years or so and seen the parade live a couple times. Still just isn't my kinda fun.

01-09-2007, 04:51 PM	#123
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I'm a feminist. Proud to be, however you want to spin it. I believe that women and men should be valued equally as human beings. And feminism exists because of the vast histories of this not being the case. I am thankful for the uppity grandmas that got spit on and thrown in jail to give me the vote and allow me to go to college. Oh, and that dared to "plan their parenthood". I am very glad to have been born in the last half of the 20th century in North America, and of moderate white privilege. If you think the concerns of feminists are passe, trivial, then you really haven't been paying attention to Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Pakistan, Thailand, etc., etc. Let's look at those tough US female fighter pilots again! Yeah, I'm a feminist.

01-09-2007, 08:06 PM	#125
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	To build a country you have to work in stages. First you have to establish a base then you have to improve it. Doing only one will just lead to failure.

01-10-2007, 11:11 AM	#128
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	No, because the minute we do, someone else will come along who hasn't lost those urges and wipe us out. It is a very effective survival skill to want to conquer, own and control.

01-10-2007, 05:47 PM	#133
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Maybe the conquering part, but I think they're still pretty attached to owning and controlling the land of Switzerland. They certainly wouldn't just politely hand it over without a fuss if someone else wanted it.

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