Urinating on Bible - Page 3

12-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I did not say being a racist is not ignorant and thinking that the difference of melanin makes one "different" is not the height of stupidity.
Two, very different things.
My statement is about those who get offended.
If you are ok with your religion, race, nationality and who you are, you cannot get offended by such simpletons.
BTW, I think burning a flag is a perfectly acceptable form of protest.

If someone punished a father for a son's protest actions, they are far more ignorant than that son could ever be.

Trilby · 12-08-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

BTW, I think burning a flag is a perfectly acceptable form of protest.

So do I.

I didn't word my reply well...what i mean is, should we assume that black people are ok with being black? of course! if they are ok with it, saying nigger shouldn't offend them because they are OK with themselves. Why did Jesse Jackson and others get upset with Richards when he said it? I am assuming here that Jesse is ok with being black. This doesn't have anything to do with RIchards being a racist (though he is, I believe) it has to do with the notion that if blacks are OK with themselves, which we assume they are, why apologize for an offensive remark at all? It shouldn't affect the black community AT ALL.

12-08-2006, 09:32 AM

Because they can.

Someone calls me a cracker or honkey, I say "thank you", or some equally cheerful/sarcastic remark.

My race is nothing to be proud, or ashamed, of... it is just luck and is neither here-nor-there.

It does not affect the black community, any more than the other comedian calling the drunk female heckler a cunt... she was being a cunt, so he called her one. It was not an indictment on all females...
People can be such idiots.

12-08-2006, 05:17 PM

Really? Is that why I was passed-over for a scholarship at Yale because they had to give it to a black kid with half my GPA and no community involvement?
Same goes for two promotions at jobs I had... I felt so "privileged" LOL.
If you don't deserve the job or placement, you don't deserve the job or placement. Getting it without the credentials just gives credence to those that would say that you, and those "like you" cannot do things for yourself.
I was a member of a, predominantly, black college club (CAVE) and I still, occasionally speak at it. We, as a group feel this way, because it is true.
Affirmative action harms race and sex FAR more than it could EVER help it.
I have seen it in the workplace. Someone given a job with less credentials and experience than others who posted for it due to affirmative action get NO respect, which is what they deserve... a shame to, it is not their fault... though I would not take such a position knowingly.
Being white is not a privilige, that is a myth... we are not the majority any longer.
Race is an accident, nothing more, as I said previously... if one feels insecure about it, that is on them.

DanaC · 12-08-2006, 06:09 PM

I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?

Bullitt · 12-08-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?

Yeah easy there rk, I was talking about how I would consider it a privilege to smack someone who decided it was funny or whatever to literally piss on a Bible in front of me. It has nothing to do with being white.

Beestie · 12-08-2006, 10:42 PM

Burning the flag that is sacred to some is not the same thing as desecrating a text that is sacred to some.

Some folks have some pretty major sacrifices tied up in that flag. Sacrifices they made on behalf of others. To desecrate the flag is, to them, offensive, disrespectful, insensitive and unappreciative.

But, any sacrifices made in the course of one's religious convictions accrue to one's self. With one possible exception. Going strictly by the Bible's own words, no one can save the soul of another.

People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.

12-09-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?

Sorry, I misunderstood... flag-burning is a privilege, you are correct.

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Burning the flag that is sacred to some is not the same thing as desecrating a text that is sacred to some.

Some folks have some pretty major sacrifices tied up in that flag. Sacrifices they made on behalf of others. To desecrate the flag is, to them, offensive, disrespectful, insensitive and unappreciative.

But, any sacrifices made in the course of one's religious convictions accrue to one's self. With one possible exception. Going strictly by the Bible's own words, no one can save the soul of another.

People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.

Or... it shows that those in office are turning those sacrifices into "nothing". They are taking what the flag, and those sacrifices, means into something else, something wrong... and that that flag, and their sacrifice, is burning. Actually doing it, being the only way to show that.
The things this current, and recent, administrations, have taken the sacrifices of past generations and shit on them, and, while doing so, the flag.
Would I like to see that, hell no. Would I understand what it was showing and means, yes.
Problem is, those who the symbolic gesture is meant for, never see it for what it means, they don't see the sickness they inflict on their nation and the freedoms they steal, they only see greed and more power that they want.
No, I do not think they want what is best... only actions show what is in someone's heart.

Pangloss62 · 12-09-2006, 09:34 AM

You guys remember Serrano's Piss Christ?

As I recall, the plastic crucifix is submerged in a jar of the artist's micture and blood.

Would I, as an atheist, be willing to do a performance piece by micturating on a bible or koran? Hmmmmmm. I'll have to think about that. What if those kids did that bible thing on stage as a work of "art?"

Just throwing that out there.

How ya doin, Flint old boy?

Spexxvet · 12-09-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

...Would I, as an atheist, be willing to do a performance piece by micturating on a bible or koran? Hmmmmmm. I'll have to think about that....

Being an athiest, it would have less meaning.

Pangloss62 · 12-09-2006, 09:48 AM

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Being an athiest, it would have less meaning.

Perhaps. And the more I think about it, I would probably have to get a Torah, an I-Ching, some Hindu texts, the Book of Morman (or a real Morman)...it would be a lot of stuff to piss on, that's for sure. But if I did it from a good height and had some help with the lighting, it could be a good show, for as long as I pissed anyway.

What about several atheists in sequence?

xoxoxoBruce · 12-09-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

snip~ It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? ~snip

The message was, nationalism is the cause of the war (Vietnam) and a flag is the most recognizable symbol of nationalizm...... also the most flammable.

DanaC · 12-09-2006, 07:09 AM

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People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.

An interesting approach Beestie, please tell us more.

Pangloss62 · 12-09-2006, 09:55 AM

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zealots who are into golden showers.

I just got an idea. What about getting actual people to play the role of people of faith, you know, dressed up to look the part, and the actually piss on them from above? That would have more impact. Yes. They would all be reciting passages from their holy texts as me and my fellow atheists pissed on them. What a show!!!!

Aliantha · 12-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Those boys weren't doing performance art when they were peeing on the bible. They were being naughty little school boys and they got caught, and now they're being punished.

12-08-2006, 09:32 AM	#3
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Because they can. Someone calls me a cracker or honkey, I say "thank you", or some equally cheerful/sarcastic remark. My race is nothing to be proud, or ashamed, of... it is just luck and is neither here-nor-there. It does not affect the black community, any more than the other comedian calling the drunk female heckler a cunt... she was being a cunt, so he called her one. It was not an indictment on all females... People can be such idiots. Last edited by rkzenrage; 12-08-2006 at 09:35 AM.

12-08-2006, 10:42 PM	#7
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Burning the flag that is sacred to some is not the same thing as desecrating a text that is sacred to some. Some folks have some pretty major sacrifices tied up in that flag. Sacrifices they made on behalf of others. To desecrate the flag is, to them, offensive, disrespectful, insensitive and unappreciative. But, any sacrifices made in the course of one's religious convictions accrue to one's self. With one possible exception. Going strictly by the Bible's own words, no one can save the soul of another. People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

12-09-2006, 09:34 AM	#9
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Micture In The Arts You guys remember Serrano's Piss Christ? As I recall, the plastic crucifix is submerged in a jar of the artist's micture and blood. Would I, as an atheist, be willing to do a performance piece by micturating on a bible or koran? Hmmmmmm. I'll have to think about that. What if those kids did that bible thing on stage as a work of "art?" Just throwing that out there. How ya doin, Flint old boy? __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

12-10-2006, 06:00 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Those boys weren't doing performance art when they were peeing on the bible. They were being naughty little school boys and they got caught, and now they're being punished. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-08-2006, 09:25 AM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I did not say being a racist is not ignorant and thinking that the difference of melanin makes one "different" is not the height of stupidity. Two, very different things. My statement is about those who get offended. If you are ok with your religion, race, nationality and who you are, you cannot get offended by such simpletons. BTW, I think burning a flag is a perfectly acceptable form of protest. If someone punished a father for a son's protest actions, they are far more ignorant than that son could ever be.

12-08-2006, 05:17 PM	#4
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Really? Is that why I was passed-over for a scholarship at Yale because they had to give it to a black kid with half my GPA and no community involvement? Same goes for two promotions at jobs I had... I felt so "privileged" LOL. If you don't deserve the job or placement, you don't deserve the job or placement. Getting it without the credentials just gives credence to those that would say that you, and those "like you" cannot do things for yourself. I was a member of a, predominantly, black college club (CAVE) and I still, occasionally speak at it. We, as a group feel this way, because it is true. Affirmative action harms race and sex FAR more than it could EVER help it. I have seen it in the workplace. Someone given a job with less credentials and experience than others who posted for it due to affirmative action get NO respect, which is what they deserve... a shame to, it is not their fault... though I would not take such a position knowingly. Being white is not a privilige, that is a myth... we are not the majority any longer. Race is an accident, nothing more, as I said previously... if one feels insecure about it, that is on them.

12-08-2006, 06:09 PM	#5
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?

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