FU*K! - Page 7

lumberjim · 11-19-2006, 09:22 PM

big suv's in an urban setting are silly. so are cowboy hats. making suppositions about a person's character based on what they drive or wear can be hit or miss. not all brits are haughty and condescending. not all americans are rednecks or blingers. being smug and abrasive, however, will only lower your stock.

i hold these things to be self evident.

the associated debates are rather interesting, though. personally, i find myself more interested in the differences of viewpoints with respect to the nationalities of the posters. it makes sense that an urban ensconsced Londoner would deride the SUV, as in their reality, they are not useful, just wasteful and annoying. but to an american, whose lifestyle supports the expense, and hobbies require the utility, it makes perfect sense.

we could have bought a minivan to cart the kids around, and a little 4x4 for our adventures, but the cost of insuring and maintaining 2 vehicles didn't compute. If i had a choice of a daily driver, i'd be driving a GTI which gets 25+ mpg. jay, sproglet, don't project your emotional response to our car onto our personality, and i won't assume that you are a charicature of a monacled british prigg.

Aliantha · 11-19-2006, 09:30 PM

In Australia atm, there is are a huge number of people driving suv's and 4x4''s of other varieties simply because 10yrs ago, people started saying, 'it's safer to drive the kids around in a bigger car'. It's interesting that this discourse arose at about the same time as the department of transport started advertising campaigns such as 'speed kills' and 'if you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot', with shots of people mangled and killed and in all sorts of pain.

Has the number of larger vehicles helped reduce the carnage? Nope. It's getting worse because there's more vehicles on the road. Not because of the size of them, just the number.

My personal issue with some people driving 4x4's is that they've got no idea where the vehicle starts and ends and are constantly running into things or bumping other cars etc in a series of minor bingles which simply wouldn't happen is less competant drivers were behind the wheel of something more manageable.

Recently, the number of large vehicles being purchased here has dropped considerably since the rise in fuel prices and interest rates.

I would say that 'the golden age' for the 4x4 is almost over and it'll get back to being a more proportionate number of them on the road before too long.

Sundae · 11-20-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

the associated debates are rather interesting, though. personally, i find myself more interested in the differences of viewpoints with respect to the nationalities of the posters.

I'm beginning to think there is more anti-British feeling in the States than I had ever anticipated. Even on this fairly liberal board I have come across far more Brit-bashing posts than I expected (in fact I thought it was a myth that 21st Century Americans saw us as stuck-up).

I'm not saying the responses to individuals weren't warranted, but to read a reply (not in this thread) to Buddug where someone who declares himself an anglophile says, "It's no wonder some people have such a low opinion of Brits" hurts.

I did select a number of comments from that thread and this that condemn and criticise the whole of my country, but seeing how many different names I had it was frankly depressing.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-21-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I'm beginning to think there is more anti-British feeling in the States than I had ever anticipated. Even on this fairly liberal board I have come across far more Brit-bashing posts than I expected (in fact I thought it was a myth that 21st Century Americans saw us as stuck-up).

Check out this link. read down the comments too.

http://www.janegalt.net/archives/009523.html

Sundae · 11-25-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

When people like Buddug uses britishness as justification for racism, hate, and all that bullshit, it makes ALL brits look bad. And since the pricks are the loudest, the ones who only hear them... naturally would come to not like brits.

With respect chick - bollocks. If a troll uses their teenagery as justification for spewing hatred it does not make ALL teens look bad. I'd prefer to think that people could spot personal views for what they are, and not tar a whole nation/ age group/ gender etc etc with the same brush. Meh, I didn't mean to single you out (hence not attributing the quote) so I'll accept that you are entitled to that point of view & leave it there. Anyway I've decided to lighten up (see below).

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Check out this link. read down the comments too.

http://www.janegalt.net/archives/009523.html

This made me SOOOOOO angry... parts of it are just so.... inaccurate! and then like Dana I just had to laugh. Confuse a Brit by getting them to pump their own gas? Actually that was what turned me over to the giggles - both pump and gas are words for farting here. And farting cuts across any national boundaries - we all pump at the end of the day so I may as well stop being so bloody thin-skinned and imagine everyone sitting down together and having one big trump...

To join the accent conversation - Rennie's was great, as was Gweneth Paltrow's. Simon Pegg is in a film with David Shwimmer (spelling?) which is out this weekend - for us anyway, may be out there already - called The Big Nothing. Interested to hear how he does accent-wise. There was a clip of it on TV last night & I thought the accent was dire, but David Schwimmer said it was good....? Admit I'm not great on accents once it's out of the British Isles.

Ibby · 11-25-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

With respect chick - bollocks. If a troll uses their teenagery as justification for spewing hatred it does not make ALL teens look bad. I'd prefer to think that people could spot personal views for what they are, and not tar a whole nation/ age group/ gender etc etc with the same brush. Meh, I didn't mean to single you out (hence not attributing the quote) so I'll accept that you are entitled to that point of view & leave it there. Anyway I've decided to lighten up (see below).

Hey, I dont have anything against Brits, and the pricks among you don't make ME think less of you, but my point is that some people may think that. Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it.

lumberjim · 11-20-2006, 10:03 AM

meh. i like brits. the accent especially. sounds a little smug, but that's part of the charm.

Elspode · 11-20-2006, 11:50 AM

The nationalities of the recent asshats is immaterial to me. Trolls are trolls. I like *you* SG...doesn't make a whit where you're from.

Iggy · 11-20-2006, 03:53 PM

I like brits... but then again, I wasn't one of those that was saying bad things about them. You get bad apples in any bunch. I think part of the reason the other dwellars were bashing the brits is that is a good way to piss of the offending person. They say Americans are bad, so we retaliate, even if it isn't 100% true. Don't worry SG! You are loved!

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 04:15 PM

I love you, Sundae (though, not in a gay way--'tho there's nothing wrong with that!) and I have always felt bad that posters like Jay, sprog, buddug and hippikos made me mad enough to "bash Brits"--sadly, those four push my buttons beyond my limit. I have lashed out in emotionally charged anger at "all" Brits. I don't hate Brits, at all!...my dream has always been to visit England (though, after getting a gut full of the above usual suspects, I've turned my sights towards Ireland/Scotland!) and I feel a real kinship towards the land of my ancestors. It is hard, though, to endure post after post after post of America-Bashing. No matter what happens in the world, the above named blame us. More importantly, though, is that sproglet, hipp, bud and Jay have never allowed us to get to know them as HUMAN BEINGS, they've only insisted on furthering their agenda ad nauseum. I hate confrontation; I hate discord; but I don't like to be summarily judged--judged by the actions of a very few--not unlike the Muslims Dana is constantly reminding us to TAKE AS INDIVIDUALS.

And BTW--after all I said, the only response jay made was, "are you on your period?" Nice. Does anyone, anyone at all, find that response offensive? I did. As if a woman has no opinion other than her hormones. All I can say is, "Jay, you ignorant fuck"---

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 05:19 PM

Geez...I tried to bring this thread back to some semblance of reasonable discussion but everyone's still cranky...and just on the day when I need cheering up.

lookout123 · 11-20-2006, 05:31 PM

i'm not going to go back through my posts and look, but if i madecomments that sounded as if I dislike Brits, I apologize. individuals can be assholes regardless of accent or lack there of. In fact, some of my best friends are...

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Geez...I tried to bring this thread back to some semblance of reasonable discussion but everyone's still cranky...and just on the day when I need cheering up.

What is wrong, Ali? Anyway--this is an evil thread. Start a new one!

xoxoxoBruce · 11-20-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Geez...I tried to bring this thread back to some semblance of reasonable discussion but everyone's still cranky...and just on the day when I need cheering up.

Kitchey kitchey koo.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 05:44 PM

Nothing really wrong. I just woke up with the blues this morning and feel like crying...and before anyone asks, NO I'm not otr or about to be or anything like that.

I'm just having an attack of the sads.

11-19-2006, 09:22 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	big suv's in an urban setting are silly. so are cowboy hats. making suppositions about a person's character based on what they drive or wear can be hit or miss. not all brits are haughty and condescending. not all americans are rednecks or blingers. being smug and abrasive, however, will only lower your stock. i hold these things to be self evident. the associated debates are rather interesting, though. personally, i find myself more interested in the differences of viewpoints with respect to the nationalities of the posters. it makes sense that an urban ensconsced Londoner would deride the SUV, as in their reality, they are not useful, just wasteful and annoying. but to an american, whose lifestyle supports the expense, and hobbies require the utility, it makes perfect sense. we could have bought a minivan to cart the kids around, and a little 4x4 for our adventures, but the cost of insuring and maintaining 2 vehicles didn't compute. If i had a choice of a daily driver, i'd be driving a GTI which gets 25+ mpg. jay, sproglet, don't project your emotional response to our car onto our personality, and i won't assume that you are a charicature of a monacled british prigg. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-19-2006, 09:30 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	In Australia atm, there is are a huge number of people driving suv's and 4x4''s of other varieties simply because 10yrs ago, people started saying, 'it's safer to drive the kids around in a bigger car'. It's interesting that this discourse arose at about the same time as the department of transport started advertising campaigns such as 'speed kills' and 'if you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot', with shots of people mangled and killed and in all sorts of pain. Has the number of larger vehicles helped reduce the carnage? Nope. It's getting worse because there's more vehicles on the road. Not because of the size of them, just the number. My personal issue with some people driving 4x4's is that they've got no idea where the vehicle starts and ends and are constantly running into things or bumping other cars etc in a series of minor bingles which simply wouldn't happen is less competant drivers were behind the wheel of something more manageable. Recently, the number of large vehicles being purchased here has dropped considerably since the rise in fuel prices and interest rates. I would say that 'the golden age' for the 4x4 is almost over and it'll get back to being a more proportionate number of them on the road before too long. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 10:03 AM	#7
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	meh. i like brits. the accent especially. sounds a little smug, but that's part of the charm. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-20-2006, 11:50 AM	#8
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The nationalities of the recent asshats is immaterial to me. Trolls are trolls. I like you SG...doesn't make a whit where you're from. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-20-2006, 03:53 PM	#9
Iggy Back and ready to tart up the place Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 850	I like brits... but then again, I wasn't one of those that was saying bad things about them. You get bad apples in any bunch. I think part of the reason the other dwellars were bashing the brits is that is a good way to piss of the offending person. They say Americans are bad, so we retaliate, even if it isn't 100% true. Don't worry SG! You are loved! __________________ Chock-full of naughty goodness.

11-20-2006, 04:15 PM	#10
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I love you, Sundae (though, not in a gay way--'tho there's nothing wrong with that!) and I have always felt bad that posters like Jay, sprog, buddug and hippikos made me mad enough to "bash Brits"--sadly, those four push my buttons beyond my limit. I have lashed out in emotionally charged anger at "all" Brits. I don't hate Brits, at all!...my dream has always been to visit England (though, after getting a gut full of the above usual suspects, I've turned my sights towards Ireland/Scotland!) and I feel a real kinship towards the land of my ancestors. It is hard, though, to endure post after post after post of America-Bashing. No matter what happens in the world, the above named blame us. More importantly, though, is that sproglet, hipp, bud and Jay have never allowed us to get to know them as HUMAN BEINGS, they've only insisted on furthering their agenda ad nauseum. I hate confrontation; I hate discord; but I don't like to be summarily judged--judged by the actions of a very few--not unlike the Muslims Dana is constantly reminding us to TAKE AS INDIVIDUALS. And BTW--after all I said, the only response jay made was, "are you on your period?" Nice. Does anyone, anyone at all, find that response offensive? I did. As if a woman has no opinion other than her hormones. All I can say is, "Jay, you ignorant fuck"--- __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 11-20-2006 at 04:20 PM.

11-20-2006, 05:19 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Geez...I tried to bring this thread back to some semblance of reasonable discussion but everyone's still cranky...and just on the day when I need cheering up. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 05:31 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i'm not going to go back through my posts and look, but if i madecomments that sounded as if I dislike Brits, I apologize. individuals can be assholes regardless of accent or lack there of. In fact, some of my best friends are... __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-20-2006, 05:44 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Nothing really wrong. I just woke up with the blues this morning and feel like crying...and before anyone asks, NO I'm not otr or about to be or anything like that. I'm just having an attack of the sads. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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