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View Poll Results: Do you trust Wikipedia?
As much as any other source. 18 51.43%
I take it with a grain of salt. 15 42.86%
Not as far as I can throw it. 2 5.71%
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:34 PM   #1
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Wikipedia is absolutely one of the internet's best results, a coalescing of the net's wisdom that has become a vital resource.
I agree. Did you follow the link in my initial post? It pretty much disproves the criticisms of the collective structure Wikipedia utilizes.

"The fibs that professor Alexander Halavais slipped in were deviously subtle: that abolitionist Frederick Douglass, lived in Syracuse, N.Y. for four years, and that the Disney film The Rescuers Down Under won an Oscar for film editing. Both are false, but would you have doubted these "factoids"?

Halavais hypothesized that the obscure errors would "languish online for some time," the Chronicle reported. Instead the Wikipedia volunteers eliminated all the fabrications within three hours of being posted."
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:44 PM   #2
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Wikipedia is absolutely one of the internet's best results, ~huge snip
OK I'll buy, one of. Doesn't hold a candle to the biggest boon to porn since the polaroid.

The nice thing is, the almost instantaneous updating on many subjects. There appears to be people that have made it their goal in life to keep Wiki valid....at least in agreement with their views.
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Old 11-13-2006, 02:58 PM   #3
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I couldn't agree more.
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:47 AM   #4
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It's fast, extensive, and better than most stupid motherfucker's poorly written and formatted websites that are essentially copy and pastes of another stupid motherfucker's website.
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Old 11-15-2006, 09:52 AM   #5
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It's fast, extensive, and better than most stupid motherfucker's poorly written and formatted websites that are essentially copy and pastes of another stupid motherfucker's website.
Now come on Wolf, don't sit on the fence, playing coy....tell us what you really think :P
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Old 11-19-2006, 05:44 PM   #6
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This would be a case where you shouldn't trust Wikipedia, even if the answer is correct to some degree.
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Old 11-19-2006, 06:16 PM   #7
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Yes, what complete horsecrap. Take a look at another HUGE inaccuracy.


Relative to all other television and radio programs in the US, Limbaugh's audience has the highest percentage (56%) of hard news consumers.
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Old 11-20-2006, 07:50 AM   #8
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This would be a case where you shouldn't trust Wikipedia, even if the answer is correct to some degree.[/url]

I hope that was a joke wolf?

I didn't find any of that on a very thought out and comprehensive page.
If it was on any of the links it needs to be edited.Oh I know. That was YOUR SUBMISSION :p


WIKIPEDIA


Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 History
2.1 Pre-Christian origins of holiday
2.2 Christian origins of holiday
2.3 Medieval Christmas and related winter festivals
2.4 The Reformation and the 1800s
2.5 Modern times
3 The Nativity
4 Economics of Christmas
5 Santa Claus and other bringers of gifts
6 Christmas Tree and other decorations
7 Regional customs and celebrations
7.1 Social aspects and entertainment
7.2 Christmas carol media
8 Christmas in the arts and media
9 See also
10 References
11 External Links


Medieval Christmas and related winter festivals

Christmas soon outgrew the Christological controversy that created it and came to dominate the medieval calendar.

The forty days before Christmas became the "forty days of St. Martin," now Advent. Former Saturnalian traditions were attached to Advent. Around the 12th century, these traditions transferred again to the "twelve days of Christmas" (i.e. Christmas to Epiphany).[8]

The fortieth day after Christmas was Candlemas. The Egyptian Christmas celebration on January 6 was adopted as Epiphany, one of the most prominent holidays of the year during the Early Middle Ages. Christmas Day itself was a relatively minor holiday, although its prominence gradually increased after Charlemagne was crowned on Christmas Day in 800 AD.

Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, and its pagan celebrations had a major influence on Christmas. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul (Yule), originally the name of a twelve-day pre-Christian winter festival. Logs were lit to honor Thor, the god of thunder, hence the "Yule log." In Germany, the equivalent holiday is called Mitwinternacht (mid-winter night). There are also twelve Rauhnächte (harsh or wild nights).[9]

By the High Middle Ages, Christmas had become so prominent that chroniclers routinely noted where various magnates "celebrated Christmas." King Richard II of England hosted a Christmas feast in 1377 at which twenty-eight oxen and three hundred sheep were eaten.[8] The "Yule boar" was a common feature of medieval Christmas feasts. Caroling also became popular, and was originally a group of dancers who sang. The group was composed of a lead singer and a ring of dancers that provided the chorus. Various writers of the time condemned caroling as lewd, largely due to overtones reminiscent of the traditions of Saturnalia and Yule).[8] "Misrule" — drunkenness, promiscuity, gambling — was also an important aspect of the festival. In England, gifts were exchanged on New Year's Day, and there was special Christmas ale.[8]

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The Reformation and the 1800s

Santa Claus hands out gifts to Union soldiers during the US Civil War in Thomas Nast's first Santa Claus cartoon, Harper's Weekly, 1863.

During the Reformation, Protestants condemned Christmas celebration as "trappings of popery" and the "rags of the Beast". The Catholic Church responded by promoting the festival in a more religiously oriented form. When a Puritan parliament triumphed over the King, Charles I of England (1644), Christmas was officially banned (1647). Pro-Christmas rioting broke out in several cities. For several weeks, Canterbury was controlled by the rioters, who decorated doorways with holly and shouted royalist slogans.[10] The Restoration (1660) ended the ban, but Christmas celebration was still disapproved of by the Anglican clergy.

By the 1820s, sectarian tension had eased and British writers began to worry that Christmas was dying out. They imagined Tudor Christmas as a time of heartfelt celebration, and efforts were made to revive the holiday. The book A Christmas Carol (1843) by Charles Dickens played a major role in reinventing Christmas as a holiday emphasizing family, goodwill, and compassion (as opposed to communal celebration and hedonistic excess).[11]



ECT....ECT...



oh I see, wolfs being funny


This would be a case where you shouldn't trust...

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Old 11-19-2006, 07:21 PM   #9
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Old subject . Stupid people have always justified their stupidity and evil via the written word ( the colonisation of America is based on crap words such as 'manifest destiny ' for example )
Wikepedia is part of that glorious written tradition .
Plus ça change , et plus c'est la même chose .

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Old 11-19-2006, 07:43 PM   #10
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Dare I ask what Wikipedia has to do with the colonization of America?
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Old 11-19-2006, 07:50 PM   #11
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come on Ibram, get with it. americans are stupid, lazy, fuckers who are utterly unreliable. americans = wikipedia.
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Old 11-19-2006, 07:53 PM   #12
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I am surprised that American teenagers such as our pet Ibram can still ask questions .
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Old 11-19-2006, 07:53 PM   #13
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surprised AND DELIGHTED .
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Old 11-19-2006, 07:57 PM   #14
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Pet?

I'm an active, positive, hopefully respected member here (I think...), and I resent being characterized as a pet.

Especially by a troll.
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Old 11-19-2006, 08:10 PM   #15
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Keep close to me , and you will be ok .
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