Who are you? Can you prove it? - Page 3

xoxoxoBruce · 09-24-2006, 08:15 PM

But if they're "watching" you, then they know you aren't somebody else by mistake.

JayMcGee · 09-24-2006, 08:32 PM

unles, of course, your name is Jean Charles de Menezes.

Happy Monkey · 09-24-2006, 08:38 PM

I think Penn Jillette and his daughter Moxie Crimefighter Jillette probably won't get on any lists accidentally...

xoxoxoBruce · 09-25-2006, 09:07 PM

You're right, them both being on the list will be quite intentional.

cowhead · 09-26-2006, 11:14 AM

you gotta love the 'new world order' in all its far reaching glory! who'd've thunk that such a miracle of modern technology would be available in our lifetimes.. now where's my flying car!.. damn you George Jetson! DAMN YOU!!!

Trilby · 09-26-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cowhead

... now where's my flying car!..

I'm still waiting on my hover bike.

wolf · 09-26-2006, 09:48 PM

They can't even get the Segway right. Don't hold your breath.

JayMcGee · 09-27-2006, 07:11 PM

True, you do not need a national ID card......

the technology already exists to 'chip' everbody with ID info....

care to place bets when it will 'required, in the interests of National Security and the Fight against Organsised Crime and Terrorism' when it will be mandatory for all new-borns? ..... then immigrants.... tourists.... over 21's....?

xoxoxoBruce · 09-27-2006, 08:12 PM

They'll start with babies. Convince parents that they need it for protection from everything... kidnapping to wrong prescriptions to mistaken identity.

Well you got your dog chipped, do you care more for your dog than your kids?

wolf · 09-27-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

True, you do not need a national ID card......

the technology already exists to 'chip' everbody with ID info....

care to place bets when it will 'required, in the interests of National Security and the Fight against Organsised Crime and Terrorism' when it will be mandatory for all new-borns? ..... then immigrants.... tourists.... over 21's....?

That will be the day that I go underground.

Spexxvet · 09-28-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

That will be the day that I go underground.

Really? If everyone had a chip in them, think of the time it would save! You wouldn't have to sit up all night with your gun when this happens. Have to prove that Clinton was in a hotel room with Jennifer Flowers? Just look at the record. Want to know where Osama Bin Laden is? Beep-beep-beep: there he is, in Boca Raton, or Riyadh. Want to check out who realllly goes to church every Sunday. Pop! There it is. Where's Jimmy Swaggart? In a hotel room, whacking it while looking at a hooker. I wouldn't want a chip in me, but I'm surprised that you don't support this repubican/conservative control mechanism.

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Really? If everyone had a chip in them, think of the time it would save! You wouldn't have to sit up all night with your gun when this happens. Have to prove that Clinton was in a hotel room with Jennifer Flowers? Just look at the record. Want to know where Osama Bin Laden is? Beep-beep-beep: there he is, in Boca Raton, or Riyadh. Want to check out who realllly goes to church every Sunday. Pop! There it is. Where's Jimmy Swaggart? In a hotel room, whacking it while looking at a hooker. I wouldn't want a chip in me, but I'm surprised that you don't support this repubican/conservative control mechanism.

Heh, sounds a couple of steps past "The Transparent Society".

09-28-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

That will be the day that I go underground.

tw · 09-28-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

True, you do not need a national ID card......

the technology already exists to 'chip' everbody with ID info....

The point was that nobody should need be 'chipped' - a same problem that exists with a SS number. Meanwhile a basic function of government should provide everyone with an opportunity to have identity proof AND identity protection if they so want.

To 'require' everyone to prove who they are has actually been proposed by the George Jr administration. "Where are your papers?" is the fatherland security mentality. An identity system designed to serve government - not serve the citizen. This is a major principle. An ID system must serve the citizen - not government. We have already seen how government and wacky HP women so fear honest Americans. An ID system must be protected from spying presidents and corporate chairman who have lived in the ethersphere too long.

That previous discussion was very explicit as to what is required of an identity proof and identity protection system. One is that the program must be free of government 'wiretapping without judicial reviews'. Another is the program is for the benefit of the citizen - not for the benefit of government law enforcement and not for the benefit of 'immune from prosecution' presidents.

Notice that I also did not call it a National ID for an important reason. It is not for the nation. Its purpose is to serve the citizen. Many important details were in that previous discussion:
A National ID Card

xoxoxoBruce · 09-28-2006, 06:18 PM

They'll sell the idea like trans-pass, just walk right through that turnstile/scanner or go wait in that line over there for three hours.
You have a clear choice to participate in the program or not. The nots will be instant suspects of course, but you have a choice.

09-24-2006, 08:15 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But if they're "watching" you, then they know you aren't somebody else by mistake. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-24-2006, 08:32 PM	#2
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	unles, of course, your name is Jean Charles de Menezes. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

09-24-2006, 08:38 PM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I think Penn Jillette and his daughter Moxie Crimefighter Jillette probably won't get on any lists accidentally... __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-25-2006, 09:07 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're right, them both being on the list will be quite intentional. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-26-2006, 11:14 AM	#5
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	you gotta love the 'new world order' in all its far reaching glory! who'd've thunk that such a miracle of modern technology would be available in our lifetimes.. now where's my flying car!.. damn you George Jetson! DAMN YOU!!! __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

09-26-2006, 09:48 PM	#7
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	They can't even get the Segway right. Don't hold your breath. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-27-2006, 07:11 PM	#8
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	True, you do not need a national ID card...... the technology already exists to 'chip' everbody with ID info.... care to place bets when it will 'required, in the interests of National Security and the Fight against Organsised Crime and Terrorism' when it will be mandatory for all new-borns? ..... then immigrants.... tourists.... over 21's....? __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

09-27-2006, 08:12 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They'll start with babies. Convince parents that they need it for protection from everything... kidnapping to wrong prescriptions to mistaken identity. Well you got your dog chipped, do you care more for your dog than your kids? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-28-2006, 06:18 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They'll sell the idea like trans-pass, just walk right through that turnstile/scanner or go wait in that line over there for three hours. You have a clear choice to participate in the program or not. The nots will be instant suspects of course, but you have a choice. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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