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Old 09-07-2005, 09:37 AM   #1
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I'm asking the fucking questions around here!

If I had to guess, I would say initially there was nothing political so they had no reason to become involved. It was just a hurricane and people were dying. As time passed, an opportunity to assault the administration presented itself while at the same time providing them with the opportunity to make themselves look the part of the hero. That is just my guess though.

BTW, Monkey, one of my favorite SNL skits is "Toilet Monkey-Monkey Hate Clean"
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:08 PM   #2
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I'm asking the fucking questions around here!--snip--
Really? Then you should post them over here, where your language would fit in better.

Or, if you're just showing your frustration at not getting the answer you expected, perhaps you could ease your discomfort by signing off.

Or, I could send you a tape of the Oprah episode I watched last night. Zero political content, 100% heart rending drama. "Hollywood" people, dressed in non-fancy clothes loading trucks (along with and indistinguishable from numerous other non celebrites), and handing out food in some kind of soup line, and doing what celebrities do best: drawing attention to themselves. And in the process, drawing attention to what they want to say or show. But precious little of what I've seen has been needlessly political.

Or, if you're using a semi-silly question to stir the shit and babble on according to your own agenda, then the answers to your inquiries are largely irrelevant. Which is how I treat the large majority of your posts, based on your tone.
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:58 AM   #3
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[quote=BigV]Or, if you're just showing your frustration at not getting the answer you expected, perhaps you could ease your discomfort by signing off.

V are you really this anal? I see you dont' respond to humor at all. There is no discomfort, thank you. Stop being such an Anal Andy and smile.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:12 AM   #4
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I'm frankly more concerned and enraged by the preventable death and misery caused by the late arrival of FEMA's "arc of relief" and the lack of urgent, powerful federal response, than Sean Penn's relief efforts. He's a private citizen. I'm not paying Sean Penn's salary and not requiring his accountability.
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Old 09-07-2005, 10:07 PM   #5
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FEMA's "arc of relief"
Why do I think that "arc" might just be more like a yellow stream?
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:32 PM   #6
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So the point is about whether their effort is validated, not whether they actually help the situation.

But warch is right, it's not about private citizens attention-whoring. It's about the government's response. And FEMA has responded poorly, probably costing lives. But while we're casting blame (which started almost before the first body was pulled out of the water), let's give a portion to the obstructionists. They initially denounced FEMA as an evil Republican police-state tool designed solely to bug the phones of homosexuals under the guise of protecting us from Martian attack. These are the same people wondering why FEMA isn't wielding more power now.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:12 PM   #7
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So the point is about whether their effort is validated, not whether they actually help the situation.
No, the point is that NICOTINEGUN has no idea about who has done what, except for the ones the press chooses to cover. I could just as easily ask why he hasn't donated to the Red Cross.
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But warch is right, it's not about private citizens attention-whoring. It's about the government's response.
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let's give a portion to the obstructionists. They initially denounced FEMA as an evil Republican police-state tool designed solely to bug the phones of homosexuals under the guise of protecting us from Martian attack. These are the same people wondering why FEMA isn't wielding more power now.
What the hell are you talking about? FEMA isn't Homeland Security. It's a preexisting agency that was partially dismantled when it was merged with Homeland Security.
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Old 09-08-2005, 02:24 AM   #8
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[quote=HappyMonkey]No, the point is that NICOTINEGUN has no idea about who has done what, except for the ones the press chooses to cover. I could just as easily ask why he hasn't donated to the Red Cross.

Okay, I'll spell it out for you Mr. Monkey: don't go on national television and talk about how the U.S. needs to do this and that for this country and that country and bash the administration and then do nothing when something happens in your own country.
My problem is not with rich people who do nothing. My problem is with these rich people that chomp at the bit when something in another country happens and they organize media campaigns bashing the administration, but then they don't say a word when something happens here until it becomes political.
I feel for all those people. I think more should have been done, but you didnt' hear a peep from Hollywierd until it became a political/racial thing. That is the issue.
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:53 AM   #9
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Wha...?

Say, can I be resident vice-president? I am fully prepared to pick up the reins of power whenever your modem goes down.

Just a thought.
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:54 AM   #10
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Okay, I'll spell it out for you Mr. Monkey: don't go on national television and talk about how the U.S. needs to do this and that for this country and that country and bash the administration and then do nothing when something happens in your own country.
You have no idea when or what they did.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:29 PM   #11
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FEMA is scarier than Homeland Security.
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Old 09-08-2005, 08:25 AM   #12
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After watching the video at the bottom of this site, I may agree. Cutting communication lines? Turning aid away? WTF?
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Old 09-08-2005, 05:03 PM   #13
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Cutting communication lines? Turning aid away? WTF?
Cutting communications lines is why I have been asking, "Why?" for so long. The only logical reason I can find is that the Sheriff of Jefferson Parish was getting relief and rescue organized himself because FEMA was doing nothing for three days. For example, a private citizen organized a flotilla of 500 shallow water boats per a request directly from the Jefferson parish sheriff. The NYPD arrived with something like 400 officers - again on a direct request from the Jefferson Parish sheriff. FEMAs actions to stop 'third party' requests may have been s to cut the communication lines from Jefferson Parish. This would be consistent with the attitude and competence of Michael Brown, Director of FEMA. Michael Brown is a benchmark example of political appointees by management that has not a clue.

What is woefully obvious in the Thursday night Ted Koppel interview was that FEMA was still planning rescue and relief operations. Planning - not executing. Why FEMA would cut communications cables? Maybe because Brownie assumed he could do it and not get blamed. After all, Michael Brown - "Brownie" - is George Jr's man.

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Old 09-07-2005, 06:11 PM   #14
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USA struck by another hurricane : Céline Dion

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She already sank the Titanic !
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Old 09-07-2005, 08:38 PM   #15
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USA struck by another hurricane : Céline Dion

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She already sank the Titanic !
LMAO, bargalunan! You know, you're OK for a foreigner!
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