Finding the Devil in New Orleans - Page 4

Kitsune · 09-05-2005, 06:44 PM

One rumor is that the electrical supply was not installed to survive a storm.

My friend confirms this, saying many of the pumps that aren't running do not have backup power. He notes that most of them have underground power or generators that run on natural gas, but those that do have generators don't have enough generator power to run all the pumps at any given station. While watching CNN coverage, he was able to point out many of the pumps in the overhead footage and show that many of them are still running -- CNN even pointed out generator smoke and outflow from some of them pumping stations.

There were not enough pumps anyway.

More importantly, it doesn't matter when a levee breaks and the water that is pumped out comes right back in.

busterb · 09-05-2005, 07:25 PM

I'm alive and well. No power or phone, most of roofing gone. Think when the service was ripped from house, 110 went to ground and toasted phones and all things that were pluged in. See "ya" soon? BB

09-05-2005, 07:44 PM

Oh, Busterb! You're alive YEA!!!!!!!! I'm so sorry about your roof! How are you getting online? Is there any way we can help you out??

YEA! I'm so glad you're OK!

Griff · 09-06-2005, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by busterb

I'm alive and well. No power or phone, most of roofing gone. Think when the service was ripped from house, 110 went to ground and toasted phones and all things that were pluged in. See "ya" soon? BB

I'm glad you're ok, stay safe. Griff

wolf · 09-05-2005, 08:47 PM

Yay buster!! Hope things get put back together for you right quick!

xoxoxoBruce · 09-05-2005, 09:15 PM

That's a big relief.

richlevy · 09-05-2005, 10:19 PM

Glad to hear you're ok. Let us know if we can help.

Clodfobble · 09-05-2005, 10:19 PM

Glad to hear from you, busterb!

Elspode · 09-05-2005, 10:32 PM

There was a lot of nailbiting around here wondering how you'd fared, BB. Glad you're safe. Let us know how we can help.

tw · 09-06-2005, 02:06 AM

Tonight (Monday), Nightline showed the USS Bataan docking in New Orleans. Bataan is a Marine assault ship with beds for hundreds, 100,000 gallons of fresh water per day, six operating rooms supporting a large hospital, a crew of 1200 Marines and sailors, and even electricity so that police could recharge their radios. It is basically a small aircraft carrier to support and transport thousands.

But wait, the USS Bataan was not dispatched from Norfolk VA? The USS Bataan has been sitting in the Gulf of Mexico all this week awaiting orders. The Bataan traveled north along the TX coast in 13 foot seas when Katrina was slowly moving onto New Orleans. The Bataan could have docked in New Orleans on Tuesday or Wednesday to dispatch its 1200 man crew on rescue missions, feed thousands, and house hundreds. But the Bataan sat out this entire week in the Gulf awaiting orders from top management - who we need not name again.

Today the Bataan docked in New Orleans apparently just ahead of its sister ship Iwo Jima and other ships from VA. Maybe Bataan was delayed from docking so that we would not notice it did not come from VA? More of the devil's details. Days after thousands died from lack of food, water, medical supplies, and rescue; suddenly the president is bragging about how he got things moving? Well these neocons did just as much on 11 September. Yet we reelected the mental midget. I need not mention where 85% of all problems come from. That someone is again back in the region for more press photo ops - and avoiding New Orleans.

This story was provided by Chicago Tribune at Navy ship nearby underused

If I had wrote these details weeks ago, you would have called it total fiction - improbable - complete fabrication. No president could be that stupid. But then the president's response to Katrina was just as unresponsive on 11 September. Show me otherwise. Show me where the president did anything useful on 11 September OR while thousands died from Katrina flooding. The USS Bataan was sitting *where* this whole time - not utilized? Who elected these leaders? Were they told to do so by god? It only proves god is punishing a city of sin. Look out Las Vegas. George Jr will save you too from yourselves.

Meanwhile FEMA has declared 13 states under Katrina Emergency Declaration: Utah, N Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and even West Virginia. By declaring so many states on Friday and Monday as victims of a hurricane one week past, then do these states also get no aid? Last time I looked, Katrina did not get anywhere near to Utah.

Meanwhile the county that busterb lives in (as best I can tell) is not designated by FEMA's Emergeny Declaration for Mississippi:

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This assistance is for the counties of Covington, Forrest, Hancock, Harrison, Jackson, Jefferson Davis, Jones, Lamar, Marion, Pearl River, and Stone.

Normally I would have done more investigation before reporting this list of states. But why bother any more? At this point, FEMA and the administration are guilty until proven innocent. The only question remaining is what did they do right. FEMA's UnderSecretary is a George Jr political appointee. Need we say any more? Like breeds like.

Just wondering what that Presidential Daily Briefing predicted about Katrina and the levees of New Orleans? Not that this President reads his PDBs. After all, George Jr said nobody expected a Category 5 hurricane to breach Category 3 levees; contrary to what his PDBs would have reported. Just wondering how bad that unread PDB said this hurricane was expected to be. You remember those unread PDBs, such as the one warning of 11 September terrorist attacks.

Anyone want to complain about the term 'mental midget'? It was never an exaggeration. I even read his autobiography before I decided the term was fully appropriate.

09-06-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Meanwhile FEMA has declared 13 states under Katrina Emergency Declaration: Utah, N Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and even West Virginia. By declaring so many states on Friday and Monday as victims of a hurricane one week past, then do these states also get no aid? Last time I looked, Katrina did not get anywhere near to Utah.

UTAH!

They really did, too. I clicked on the link just to make sure it wasn't a typo of some sort. How the hell did Katrina make its way WEST, skip over states like Oklahoma and Colorado and wreck havoc in Utah? Damn, those Mormons must have one hell of a lobbying group in DC!

UTAH! Will wonders never cease? Say, I notice its a little cloudy today here in Colorado, think we could be declared hurricane victims, too?

Undertoad · 09-06-2005, 08:38 AM

From the comments section of a QandO post

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I have a family member aboard the Bataan and they are FURIOUS. We were receiving emails BEFORE Katrina struck, indicating they would be riding the storm out, then heading in for service wherever they were needed.

Yes, they were given the Go Ahead, as in GO AHEAD AND WAIT!!!!! Bataan WAS ordered to prepare - which they did with breakneck speed - and once ready were told to wait, bobbing offshore (less than TEN miles offshore) like a toy the "Big Kids" weren’t ready to play with just yet.

Our family member was to have returned home the Wednesday before Katrina struck, at which time they were going to attend a family reunion in late September - they were told on Sunday —again, BEFORE the aftermath began to be seen—that they could be in that area for up to two months.

We’ve received emails that are heartrending - their medical facilities, personnel and staff, as well as the capacity to generate OVER 70,000 gallons of potable water PER DAY went un-used due to waiting for a GD ’go ahead’. She said the morale onboard - as they all watched news updates via satellite - was the lowest ever seen.

WE HAD A FULLY LOADED - STOCKED - ABLE - ship and full crew ready to go in and help IMMEDIATELY.

I’m tired of all the ’speculation’ as to the truth of Bataan holding back - our family had the news BEFORE the media did.

Don’t blame the Bataan, its crew or commanders. Blame the bureaucratic bastards who kept them from heading in to help. Two days after we got word of this, the ship’s commander, Nora Tyson, was quoted in Navy Newsstand - "We’re waiting but we can’t force ourselves in...." The Barking Dog barked - but its owner wouldn’t untie the fucking leash.

The administration is finger-pointing in every direction, with all ten - but the sad fact remains - all it would have taken was ONE message, ONE word, ONE call - and help - less than ten miles out to sea—would have been given.

Happy Monkey · 09-06-2005, 08:41 AM

I've heard speculation that it was delayed so it would show up at the same time as the ships from Virginia. I'm not sure why.

Kitsune · 09-06-2005, 10:26 AM

Everybody <a href="http://www.katrinamistakelist.com/">loves a little conspiracy theory now and then</a>.

plthijinx · 09-06-2005, 11:14 AM

OUTSTANDING! glad your alright Busterb!!

within the last 7 days i've logged over 40 hours flight time over Abbeville, La and Sabine Pass. get this: saturday a chopper had to make an emergency landing because it was shot at and hit bad enough to have to force a landing. it was shot down. either friday or saturday a life flight helicopter took 5 hits but did not go down. then on sunday another chopper was hit and went down as well. wtf? this small group of neanderthals is screwing up the rescue efforts for the rest of the people! dumb asses. i hope they get what's coming to them.

09-05-2005, 07:25 PM	#2
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	I'm alive and well. No power or phone, most of roofing gone. Think when the service was ripped from house, 110 went to ground and toasted phones and all things that were pluged in. See "ya" soon? BB __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

09-05-2005, 08:47 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Yay buster!! Hope things get put back together for you right quick! __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-05-2005, 09:15 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's a big relief. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-05-2005, 10:19 PM	#7
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Glad to hear you're ok. Let us know if we can help. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

09-05-2005, 10:32 PM	#9
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	There was a lot of nailbiting around here wondering how you'd fared, BB. Glad you're safe. Let us know how we can help. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-05-2005, 06:44 PM	#1
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	One rumor is that the electrical supply was not installed to survive a storm. My friend confirms this, saying many of the pumps that aren't running do not have backup power. He notes that most of them have underground power or generators that run on natural gas, but those that do have generators don't have enough generator power to run all the pumps at any given station. While watching CNN coverage, he was able to point out many of the pumps in the overhead footage and show that many of them are still running -- CNN even pointed out generator smoke and outflow from some of them pumping stations. There were not enough pumps anyway. More importantly, it doesn't matter when a levee breaks and the water that is pumped out comes right back in.

09-05-2005, 07:44 PM	#3
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Oh, Busterb! You're alive YEA!!!!!!!! I'm so sorry about your roof! How are you getting online? Is there any way we can help you out?? YEA! I'm so glad you're OK!

09-05-2005, 10:19 PM	#8
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Glad to hear from you, busterb!

09-06-2005, 08:41 AM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I've heard speculation that it was delayed so it would show up at the same time as the ships from Virginia. I'm not sure why. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-06-2005, 10:26 AM	#14
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Everybody <a href="http://www.katrinamistakelist.com/">loves a little conspiracy theory now and then</a>.

09-06-2005, 11:14 AM	#15
plthijinx Master Dwellar Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,197	OUTSTANDING! glad your alright Busterb!! within the last 7 days i've logged over 40 hours flight time over Abbeville, La and Sabine Pass. get this: saturday a chopper had to make an emergency landing because it was shot at and hit bad enough to have to force a landing. it was shot down. either friday or saturday a life flight helicopter took 5 hits but did not go down. then on sunday another chopper was hit and went down as well. wtf? this small group of neanderthals is screwing up the rescue efforts for the rest of the people! dumb asses. i hope they get what's coming to them. __________________ For your dreams to come true, you must first have a dream.

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