APB: Cellarites missing.

[orthodoc]

I don't miss Ibby calling us cunts and telling us what to think, what to say, that we're all oppressors as defined by Ibby and should go fuck ourselves and die, at all. If Ibby ever decides to be civil, I'd welcome the chance to talk again. Ibby was too angry to be coherent, but I hope that, in time, it'll be possible to have a rational conversation. At that point, I think Ibby would be surprised.

[Aliantha]

Well, i guess there's nothing more to say about ibs in absentia is there? Not really setting a great example of tolerance just here.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, i guess there's nothing more to say about ibs in absentia is there? Not really setting a great example of tolerance just here.

Tolerance goes both ways, I don't give a rats ass what he does, but he wants to tell me what I must do/say. That doesn't work, and being the internet, I just tell him to fuck off... no problem.
But what the people here were trying to warn him was in the real world you can't do that. Not even if you're real big, real tough, and armed to the teeth, which he ain't.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Tolerance goes both ways, I don't give a rats ass what he does, but he wants to tell me what I must do/say. That doesn't work, and being the internet, I just tell him to fuck off... no problem.
But what the people here were trying to warn him was in the real world you can't do that. Not even if you're real big, real tough, and armed to the teeth, which he ain't.

all of this is 100% correct and I second each point.

[henry quirk]

No, not 'everyone'.

HA!

[orthodoc]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, i guess there's nothing more to say about ibs in absentia is there? Not really setting a great example of tolerance just here.

Tolerance of what? Ibby has to live in the world. Learning how to interact in a civil way is crucial. The sooner Ibby learns some social skills, the better.

[Happy Monkey]

Yeah, yikes.

[Aliantha]

Yes i know. I just think that ibs is not here, so why beat up on her in her absence? Thats all.

[Griff]

I think everyone here cares about Ibs. She has a great tension in her life between being true to herself and being safe. We naturally want her to be safe and when we think being true to herself is an over-the-top position we wish she would choose her battles more carefully. A lot of what we saw with her here was experimental, trying out ideas in a wider world. She kind of lit up generational differences. I'd like to see her back, she was an interesting and valued poster. I think I learned a lot from her.


Hi Adam! Its good to see an old-timer.

[Sundae]

Is finding her tied to a barbed wire fence a ref to Last Exit to Booklyn?
Blends two stories, I'm impressed. 'Cept they both die.

I miss Ibs.
She made me think. She challenged my point of view.
She was young, she was clearly confused (she would not agree!)
And she will change, despite the idea of change being anathema today. Do you remember when she said she didn't believe in formal education and only wanted to learn the lessopns like taught (I'm paraphrasing and it will sould rude and patronising but I'm using it as an example.)

She's learning to fit in, in life. The few TGs I've know IRL and even fewer on the Cellar have made that so bloody clear.
I remember having a shit-fit at 17 with Mum about being denying being a real woman because I chose to use internal feminine products instead of towels?!

So I can forgive her ruffling feathers in in the microcosm of the Cellar.

I'd sure like to hear from her from time to time.

[DanaC]

I miss Ibs.

[BigV]

xoB can answer for himself regarding the barbed wire fence image, but I took it as a reference to Matthew Shepard.

[Clodfobble]

That's what I understood, as well.

[orthodoc]

That was my understanding as well.

That said, I still hope that Ibby will come to the point of communicating without calling everyone who isn't TG an intolerant cunt. I never had a problem with Ibby's identity or sexuality; I had a problem with Ibby's rudeness and lack of respect for other human beings. I suspect that that had more to do with a privileged upbringing and access to an unearned lifestyle in college than anything else.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by orthodoc

That was my understanding as well.

That said, I still hope that Ibby will come to the point of communicating without calling everyone who isn't TG an intolerant cunt. I never had a problem with Ibby's identity or sexuality; I had a problem with Ibby's rudeness and lack of respect for other human beings. I suspect that that had more to do with a privileged upbringing and access to an unearned lifestyle in college than anything else.

I may have reading Ibby a little longer and I've got the impression that Ibby uses TG as a crutch. Some people face life's crises with dignity, Ibby is not one of them.