I'm Moving to CANADA

[Trilby]

My sons, ages 13 and 14, are NOT cannon fodder. I will NOT allow them to be drafted when this stupid effing war is still raging when they turn eighteen.

And, Jag, I'm curious; who do you propose to lead England? Who shall lead us all? IIRC the Porteguese did a fine job at one time...

[wolf]

The difference, I think is that the Poles have near neighbors, and are subject to invasion.

That makes for a very different national character.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by wolf

The difference, I think is that the Poles have near neighbors, and are subject to invasion.

That makes for a very different national character.

OK, what about Australia? Iceland? I didn't see any over-the-top flag-waving in those countries, either.

[iamthewalrus109]

I hate to say it, but if you look at my prediction post, which some scoffed at, I wasn't off by that much on the electoral. To think that John Kerry could carry the day was, I'm sorry, but a snowball's chance in hell. The clincher for this election in many ways was the anti-Kerry vote. This represented about 15% of George Bush's support. John Kerry's flip flop image was only part of it. For many his testimony in front of the Senate Arm Services committee in '71 and the revelation that he had contributed to the torture of POWs in Vietnam due to his public statments, were damning in the end. This was his weakest point.

It's true that John F. Kerry served in Vietnam, and I believe with as much honor as possible, but his actions after the war were damaging to the soldiers in country during the conflict, and nothing could erase that. Bush and Cheney might have avoided service through various means, but they did not sell out our prisoners of war. All one has to do is liken that today, whether the cause is deemed honorable or not at this point, soldiers in Iraq have been sold out during this election, plain and simple. One could easily make an argument for the continued violence being fuled by election rhetoric. I await for the pouncing statments of ye' cellar dwellers, but remember, John Kerry did this to himself, GW might have used 527s to his full advantage, but John Kerry will never live down his protest past, a protest past that put GI's and POWs in danger in Vietnam, and in Iraq. Suggest a solution, but don't attack the efforts of grunts, it's just not what a aspiring Comander and chief does.

-Walrus

[glatt]

Originally Posted by iamthewalrus109

I hate to say it...

Liar. you LOVE to say it.

[Pie]

I desperately want to respect my fellow countrymen, and my nation as a whole. I am unable to do that.

I want my country to be safer. It certainly won't be that.

I want to be able to pursue life, liberty and hapiness. Apparently, I won't be allowed to do that unless I'm white, straight, and attend the same church they do.

I want to cry. I will do that.

- Pie

[jaguar]

England? Leave blair in chance, the opposition are in joke, I'm just hoping the tories are relegated to minor party and the Jib Dems take opposition. Us all? Who the hell knows, the wonderful age of the death of nation states is still a long way off but traditional (last centuary) power blocks and relationships are on the way out and relationships of convenience are in. I still hope if I make it to being old and grey I get to see the dawn of an age where nations are nothing more than flags of convenience are to ships today. In the meantime, as the Chinese saying goes, we're doomed to live in Interesting Times.

The welfare state, the stable international relationships, they're all an historical anomoly payed for with debt, a side effect of the biggest problem with democracy - people realized they could vote themselves bread and circuses. The true cost of this centuary of decadence will be realized.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by jaguar

England? Leave blair in chance, the opposition are in joke, I'm just hoping the tories are relegated to minor party and the Jib Dems take opposition.

jag, I've no idea what that means. What is a Jib Dem??

[jaguar]

Lib Dem, my bad (how did I get across two keys??), Liberal Democrats, a leftish 3rd party here, been gaining a lot of ground of late, lots of fresh new innovative ideas and surprisingly sound fiscal planning, good combination.

[wolf]

I'm trying very, very hard to imagine what my response would have been had the electoral vote situation been reversed.

I do know that I would not have a screamed, ranted, cried, and stated that I was taking my toys and going to someone else's house because YOU'RE NOT NICE.

Boo hoo. Weep weep.

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Take a lesson from the name of the biggest 527 ... move on.

Wow. I wonder what George Soros is saying this morning ... he thought he bought himself a presidency ...

[garnet]

Originally Posted by wolf

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Take a lesson from the name of the biggest 527 ... move on.

If you don't have time to deal with all of all of our "pointless frustration" why are you responding to so many threads about it? Shouldn't you be out wrangling nuts?

If Kerry would have won, would you have clammed up stated that it's time to "move on"? I doubt it--I suspect you be debating the election and the outcome just like everybody else is. It appears that you are enjoying gloating over the victory of "your guy," despite the fact that he didn't even carry your state.

Originally Posted by wolf

I'm trying very, very hard to imagine what my response would have been...

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Well, then why are you? Go wrangle your nuts and whistle a merry tune. Your side won, isn't that enough for you? Now, you want the rest of us to be happy about it. That's asking a bit much, don't you think? Judging by the way you've hung around here gloating, I think you probably would have hung around being gloomy, as well, if your side had lost.

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Well, then why are you? Go wrangle your nuts and whistle a merry tune. Your side won, isn't that enough for you? Now, you want the rest of us to be happy about it. That's asking a bit much, don't you think? Judging by the way you've hung around here gloating, I think you probably would have hung around being gloomy, as well, if your side had lost.

Amen sis. As I listen to the local conservative radio station, all they have been talking about since the day after the election is why Kerry lost and just plain old more Kerry bashing.

Dudes: WHO THE MOTHERFUCK CARES ABOUT THE WHY?!?!?! Get out there and support his monkey ass already! Shit!

Is it 2008 already?

'K...better now.

[smoothmoniker]

Re-elected Bush. Gains in the Senate. Gains in the House. Gains in governors races, state assemblies, and local elections.

This is a serious question: in light of the fact that the progressive movement staged a very effective get out the vote campaign, had access to massive amounts of money, by most accounts won the debates, did everything "right" in the election, why do you think they lost this election in such spectacular fashion? Is it a process failure (somehow didn't manage to communicate their issues) or an ideology failure (most people know their issues and disagree)?

-sm

[glatt]

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

This is a serious question: in light of the fact that the progressive movement staged a very effective get out the vote campaign, had access to massive amounts of money, by most accounts won the debates, did everything "right" in the election, why do you think they lost this election in such spectacular fashion? Is it a process failure (somehow didn't manage to communicate their issues) or an ideology failure (most people know their issues and disagree)?

I think it's simpler than that. The Democrats put Kerry up there. I voted for the guy, but not because I liked him. He is NOT inspiring. I can't speak for the swing voters, but I think if Bill Clinton's clone were able to run, Bush would have been pummled. It wasn't communication or ideology. It was personality.