Suspending Elections - Page 2

07-13-2004, 10:54 AM

There's nothing I wouldn't put past the Bush administration. I think the man himself is certifiable, and he's got plenty of ruthless power brokers just behind the scenes. If Kerry played his cards right, he could turn such an attack to his advantage; but I don't know that he's got the rhetoric to pull such a thing off. JFK could have taken such an incident and used it to put the last nail in Bush's coffin. In this instance, I think Bush would use it to put the last nail in democracy's coffin.

If such a sequence of events were to take place, I'd go live with Aunt Elsa myself and ask her to sponsor me as a political refugee.

lumberjim · 07-12-2004, 10:29 AM

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i personally think that if their was a pre-election attack in america it would actually shore up gwb's #'s just because of the collective personality of america.

i fear that you are correct in that beleif, and gwb knows it. makes me think that another major attack is a near certainty. let's take a poll on the date? i'm thinking mid October.....

lookout123 · 07-12-2004, 10:43 AM

i have believed there was certain to be a pre-election attack since spain's RR bombings. i don't think the terrorists understand the american psyche well enough to know that it would backfire.
personally, i believe there have already been attempts. i would expect their focus to be no more than a week before the election though. they will be looking to accomplish a repeat of spain's elections.
i don't expect any polling places targeted. i believe it will be public functions, the transportation system again.

jinx · 07-12-2004, 10:47 AM

I'm thinking Boston, July 26-29.

lookout123 · 07-12-2004, 10:49 AM

jinx, i think you are right that there is something planned for it - but no the main event. keep in mind the public doesn't hear about the events that are prevented, there have been other samll scale attacks foiled. it's just one of those things, we only hear about the failures, not the successes.

jinx · 07-12-2004, 10:51 AM

Why?

jaguar · 07-12-2004, 11:19 AM

Ah you guy's are missing two things.
Firstly, Al Queda is VERY media savvy, I'm talking right on the ball, they know how the game work very, very well. They WANT GWB in power, he's caused anger and outrage across the mideast creating thousands of new recruits, they want an irrational, reactionary leader, not one that might be able to defuse the situation.

Think about the 'truce' offered to European leaders, it's about retargetting anger on a single target to increase the power of it, it's very clever. Try and weaken Europe's interest in the war, work to maintain the rift and target the US with it's evil leader. Bush and Osama want the same thing, holy war. (world's biggest oxymoron).

Oh an LJ there's a Renault dealership over here I can probably slot you into.

hot_pastrami · 07-12-2004, 11:57 AM

It is too easy to imagine another attack taking place, followed by Bush ads which carry a sentiment of "A time of crisis is not a time for a change in administration. Stick with a president you can trust to get the job done." I shudder to think of what tatters our Constitution will be left in if Bush gets another four years... particularly if he starts his new term with another vendetta, whose energy he can direct where it pleases him.... even at countries and people who had nothing to do with the attack.

That Free Speech Zone thread is here, Jimbo. It was originally posted months ago, but was recently resurrected.

lookout123 · 07-12-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hot_pastrami

It is too easy to imagine another attack taking place, followed by Bush ads which carry a sentiment of "A time of crisis is not a time for a change in administration. Stick with a president you can trust to get the job done."

actually that is how FDR got elected 4 times. he campaign theme was basically that you don't change horses midway through race.

wolf · 07-13-2004, 01:04 PM

Please do not make the mistake of calling Kerry "JFK" even if the initials fit.

I do not think there is any great likelihood of elections being cancelled for any reason, and suspect that the current furor is the result of a "slow news day" rather than any real concern.

07-13-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Please do not make the mistake of calling Kerry "JFK" even if the initials fit.

I do not think there is any great likelihood of elections being cancelled for any reason, and suspect that the current furor is the result of a "slow news day" rather than any real concern.

Never, in my wildest dreams, Wolf. You misunderstood me, I think. Kerry is nowhere the equivlent to JFK. If only...

xoxoxoBruce · 07-14-2004, 06:01 PM

IIRC, JFK was nowhere near JFK. The legend has grown far beyond the man.

lumberjim · 07-14-2004, 06:33 PM

yeah, death is good for your stock in politics as well as art, I guess. (see the various ronald reagan threads)

07-13-2004, 10:54 AM	#1
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	There's nothing I wouldn't put past the Bush administration. I think the man himself is certifiable, and he's got plenty of ruthless power brokers just behind the scenes. If Kerry played his cards right, he could turn such an attack to his advantage; but I don't know that he's got the rhetoric to pull such a thing off. JFK could have taken such an incident and used it to put the last nail in Bush's coffin. In this instance, I think Bush would use it to put the last nail in democracy's coffin. If such a sequence of events were to take place, I'd go live with Aunt Elsa myself and ask her to sponsor me as a political refugee. Last edited by marichiko; 07-13-2004 at 10:57 AM.

07-12-2004, 10:43 AM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i have believed there was certain to be a pre-election attack since spain's RR bombings. i don't think the terrorists understand the american psyche well enough to know that it would backfire. personally, i believe there have already been attempts. i would expect their focus to be no more than a week before the election though. they will be looking to accomplish a repeat of spain's elections. i don't expect any polling places targeted. i believe it will be public functions, the transportation system again. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-12-2004, 10:47 AM	#4
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I'm thinking Boston, July 26-29. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

07-12-2004, 10:49 AM	#5
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	jinx, i think you are right that there is something planned for it - but no the main event. keep in mind the public doesn't hear about the events that are prevented, there have been other samll scale attacks foiled. it's just one of those things, we only hear about the failures, not the successes. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-12-2004, 10:51 AM	#6
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Why? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

07-12-2004, 11:19 AM	#7
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Ah you guy's are missing two things. Firstly, Al Queda is VERY media savvy, I'm talking right on the ball, they know how the game work very, very well. They WANT GWB in power, he's caused anger and outrage across the mideast creating thousands of new recruits, they want an irrational, reactionary leader, not one that might be able to defuse the situation. Think about the 'truce' offered to European leaders, it's about retargetting anger on a single target to increase the power of it, it's very clever. Try and weaken Europe's interest in the war, work to maintain the rift and target the US with it's evil leader. Bush and Osama want the same thing, holy war. (world's biggest oxymoron). Oh an LJ there's a Renault dealership over here I can probably slot you into. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-12-2004, 11:57 AM	#8
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	It is too easy to imagine another attack taking place, followed by Bush ads which carry a sentiment of "A time of crisis is not a time for a change in administration. Stick with a president you can trust to get the job done." I shudder to think of what tatters our Constitution will be left in if Bush gets another four years... particularly if he starts his new term with another vendetta, whose energy he can direct where it pleases him.... even at countries and people who had nothing to do with the attack. That Free Speech Zone thread is here, Jimbo. It was originally posted months ago, but was recently resurrected. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

07-13-2004, 01:04 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Please do not make the mistake of calling Kerry "JFK" even if the initials fit. I do not think there is any great likelihood of elections being cancelled for any reason, and suspect that the current furor is the result of a "slow news day" rather than any real concern. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-14-2004, 06:01 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	IIRC, JFK was nowhere near JFK. The legend has grown far beyond the man. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-14-2004, 06:33 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	yeah, death is good for your stock in politics as well as art, I guess. (see the various ronald reagan threads) __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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