Voting by Mail

[Ibby]

do you find it far-fetched that the trump campaign's overall objective might be to delay, obfuscate, muddle, and confuse more than it is to win in court? i'm personally far past the point of assuming good faith, after a lengthy and forceful push to portray mail-in voting as untrustable, unreliable, and undemocratic.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Ibby

... i'm personally far past the point of assuming good faith, after a lengthy and forceful push to portray mail-in voting as untrustable, unreliable, and undemocratic.

How sad for you.

True story:

I've long been signed up for the USPS Informed Delivery Daily Digest service (it's free). When mail addressed to me goes through the sorting scanners, an image is captured and I receive those images in an email announcing those items are on their way to me.

Just this past week I got an email showing detailed images of two official mail-in ballot application forms, with my exact address on them, sent by the County Clerk's office. The names on those two mail-in ballot application forms were of people who don't live at my address and that I've never heard of.

That means there there are two people who have managed to get fraudulently registered (deceived, bribed, hacked?) with the County as voters at my address who can apply for mail-in ballots with none of the challenges for establishing identification that an in-person voter would have to satisfy. All they'd have to do is check a box that says they still live here. There's also a provision on the application to have the mail-in ballot sent to another address... a write-in address.

The post office delivers based upon name, not address; so, those applications were never delivered to me and I won't have an opportunity to turn them in (I still have the email though). Anyone having IDs (genuine or fake) with those names can now claim those mailings, fill out the request for mail-in ballots, and have those ballots sent to an address of their choosing.

That's two votes by people who may not even be eligible to vote versus my one eligible vote thanks to mail-in ballots. There's always been corruption in the voting system. Mail-in ballots can exacerbate that. The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. - Scotty. They're best used when necessary to keep eligible voters from being disenfranchised rather than for mere convenience.


Of course, my address on those applications could have been just a typo; but, I wanted to tell my wonderful story on this Sunday afternoon.

[Griff]

There’s a good boy, sow doubt. *head pat*

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by sexobon

That means there there are two people who have managed to get fraudulently registered (deceived, bribed, hacked?)

You're making an assumption that it was intentional and it was their doing.

The post office delivers based upon name, not address;...

This is untrue, I get mail delivered to my address with other peoples names on it.
You're creating a story on false assumptions and a lie.

Yes I saw your size 1 white print, that makes it worse.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Of course, my address on those applications could have been just a typo; but, I wanted to tell my wonderful story on this Sunday afternoon.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes I saw your size 1 white print, that makes it worse.

It means I recognized there was more than one possible assumption of which I chose one for the sake of argument. No one has demonstrated that the one I chose couldn't be the correct one.

I wasn't talking about all mail. I was talking about mail-in ballot applications. This is what I actually said:

Originally Posted by sexobon

The post office delivers based upon name, not address; so, those applications were never delivered to me...

This is evidenced by the fact that the post office did NOT deliver to me mail-in ballot applications with other people's names and my address.

The distinction is that the post office had a specific reason to the contrary. Delivering them could create a voting discrepancy. There are other items they deliver based upon name too.

Without a specific reason to the contrary, mail sent to an address will be delivered.

[EMPHASIS MINE]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You're creating a story on false assumptions and a lie.

No, your critiquing what I wrote without reading comprehension and keeping things in context.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Bullshit.