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12-03-2018, 12:52 PM | #1 |
Radical Centrist
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"Baby It's Cold Outside" is not rapey
It's a perfectly wonderful song about flirting, where the lady is entirely into the idea of staying the night, but feels it polite to give a moment of hard-to-get resistance.
"What's in this drink" was a common jokey saying of the day, I am told Go ahead, change my mind |
12-03-2018, 01:03 PM | #2 |
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12-03-2018, 01:20 PM | #3 |
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Cerys has the last laugh in this video, my favourite version.
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12-03-2018, 02:57 PM | #4 | |
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No means no.
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12-03-2018, 04:15 PM | #5 |
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Wait. No doesn't mean no?
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio |
12-03-2018, 04:38 PM | #6 |
I love it when a plan comes together.
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Yeah, no.
Is tricksy; 'cause, "no" could previously be a white lie. |
12-03-2018, 11:57 PM | #7 |
The future is unwritten
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No means no, but she didn't say no. She says, "I ought to say no no no", in other words no is expected of me but I don't want to say it.
This is the way the game was played for most of the 20th century when people noticed the walk of shame. Now it's the walk of I did it and I'm glad.
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12-04-2018, 03:33 AM | #8 |
I love it when a plan comes together.
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Just say no, while nodding your head.
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12-04-2018, 03:47 AM | #9 |
The Un-Tuckian
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Coercion.[/debbil'srapi--Imean-advocate]
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12-04-2018, 03:48 AM | #10 |
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Yes.
Wait. No. Wait. Fuck, now I'm confused.
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12-04-2018, 07:00 AM | #11 | |
still says videotape
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12-04-2018, 11:16 AM | #12 | |
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12-04-2018, 12:07 PM | #13 |
The future is unwritten
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12-04-2018, 12:14 PM | #14 |
I think this line's mostly filler.
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Yes.
This is why laws are long and complicated. Because some asshole finds a loophole that needs to be fixed.
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12-10-2018, 04:20 PM | #15 |
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Anyone, please, correct me if you disagree anywhere. I'm really fascinated by this.
I think that: #1: the behavior depicted in the song is, at face value, what we now consider "rapey" behavior, e.g. being pushy and trying to wear down someone's resistance over an extended period, where you're physically preventing them from leaving, until you achieve a nominal "green light" #2: the behavior was considered "okay" at the time so some people figure the song gets a pass for historical accuracy #3: some people value cultural touchstones such as baby boomer's fond childhood memories to the degree that they trump* other considerations, such as an updated sense of cultural norms --and that somewhere in the debate-- #4: some people are so steadfast in defending the song that they've skipped right over reasons #2 and #3 and are saying that the original behavior--at face value!-- is okay *is there another word for this?
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