08/07/02: Bitch. - Page 9

russotto · 09-11-2002, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by darclauz
if i had realized you debaters were still children like juju, i'd have used more care in how i phrased things.... i know you all have the idealism and inflexible convictions of youth instead of the maturity of life experience.

"It's amazing how much the 'wisdom of maturity' resembles being too tired" -- anon

darclauz · 09-11-2002, 01:54 PM

OH, for heaven's sake, donald, i'm just having fun. i was teasing you...TEASING. remember teasing??!?! friends do it. i said it specifically because it used to be a hot button with you and me, but i thought we were talking...past it. if i had known you would take it seriously, i never would have said something.

and i don't have any clue what you mean by egotism. what the hell is THAT about???!?

i certainly do respect you; i always have. you are one of the few people whose opinions i relished & you are someone who i have always enjoyed exchanging ideas with...i certainly don't think i'm better than anyone because i'm older...i just have whiter hair.

if you are just yanking my chain, then okay. if you are serious about all of this, then you don't know me like i thought you did. you certainly don't have to demand respect, but you've always had it. it's up to you what you do with it, i guess.

darclauz · 09-11-2002, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by russotto

"It's amazing how much the 'wisdom of maturity' resembles being too tired" -- anon

tell me. =)

darclauz · 09-11-2002, 02:35 PM

Since I met juju, almost seven years ago, he has both puzzled and facinated me. he has a charisma and intelligence that intrigued me almost to the point of obsession for a brief period. he makes a tremendous amount of sense and touched topics of thought and conversation that were all but unknown for me.

through all of that, i lost my head somewhat. although i have never been much of a follower, i found myself in danger of losing my own convictions in favor of following a much more esoteric pattern of thought. several things about that scared me: i am a person who values individuality, and who is individualistic to the point of abrasion in many cases. (no!) i am a christian (no!) who at that time and now, walked in many pathways where i shouldn't have walked, and juju's philosophies, seductive as they were, led to places where i didn't know how to be. i responded by pulling away, and getting scared, and using an age difference as a reason to feel superior..and not so trapped (my doing, not his).

all of that explaining give this direct address: i have always admired and respected you, even when i didn't agree with you. it has never been my intention to hurt or insult you. you always scared me a little, but that was my reaction, not anything you did. i am sorry if i came across any other way, and hope that this is all over (now that my soul is bared, i have to sew it a garment of fig leaves, i think). so sorry, and i certainly have never felt myself superior to you (although i probably tried like hell to make it look that way.).

now that this public confession is done, i'm going to go recover.

a much contrite darlene

juju · 09-11-2002, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darclauz
OH, for heaven's sake, donald, i'm just having fun. i was teasing you...TEASING. remember teasing??!?! friends do it. i said it specifically because it used to be a hot button with you and me, but i thought we were talking...past it. if i had known you would take it seriously, i never would have said something.

It's very ironic that this discussion would pop up in this particular thread. I fear my comments here may serve to crush every argument i've made in this thread before you came along. :)

If Dave were to call me a silly cock-sucking bitch, I wouldn't take any offense to it, because I know that he doesn't actually think that of me. He's only joking.

You are joking, too; but the situation is very different. You actually believe the things you're saying. I knew you were joking about the male/female stuff, but I asked via IM if you really did believe the things you said, and you said yes. We didn't discuss ageism then, but I suspect that you believe the things you joke about in that subject, too.

So, it's the fact that you actually think you're better than me because you're older that really grates on my nerves. If you don't really feel this way, then I suppose I have nothing to complain about.

juju · 09-11-2002, 02:49 PM

Wow...

I think I understand now. This bears a longer reply.. but i'll leave this message here until I can gather time to write one.

MaggieL · 09-11-2002, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by russotto
"It's amazing how much the 'wisdom of maturity' resembles being too tired" -- anon

Heinlein, actually.

warch · 09-11-2002, 07:45 PM

Maggie! I love how ya keep us honest. LOL!
Now, unsure if I am suffering from maturity, fatique, or both, I'll leave these two to work it out. Does young juju possess the hypnotic charms of the deeeviiilll? One must wonder...

MaggieL · 09-11-2002, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by warch
Does young juju possess the hypnotic charms of the deeeviiilll? One must wonder...

Well, there were those vacation pix, of course. :-)

darclauz · 09-12-2002, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warch
Maggie! I love how ya keep us honest. LOL!
Now, unsure if I am suffering from maturity, fatique, or both, I'll leave these two to work it out. Does young juju possess the hypnotic charms of the deeeviiilll? One must wonder...

he has a great butt, actually. =)

09-11-2002, 01:54 PM	#2
darclauz Breathing into a paper bag Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 334	OH, for heaven's sake, donald, i'm just having fun. i was teasing you...TEASING. remember teasing??!?! friends do it. i said it specifically because it used to be a hot button with you and me, but i thought we were talking...past it. if i had known you would take it seriously, i never would have said something. and i don't have any clue what you mean by egotism. what the hell is THAT about???!? i certainly do respect you; i always have. you are one of the few people whose opinions i relished & you are someone who i have always enjoyed exchanging ideas with...i certainly don't think i'm better than anyone because i'm older...i just have whiter hair. if you are just yanking my chain, then okay. if you are serious about all of this, then you don't know me like i thought you did. you certainly don't have to demand respect, but you've always had it. it's up to you what you do with it, i guess. __________________ Taking up smoking to lose weight.

09-11-2002, 02:35 PM	#4
darclauz Breathing into a paper bag Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 334	public apology & confession Since I met juju, almost seven years ago, he has both puzzled and facinated me. he has a charisma and intelligence that intrigued me almost to the point of obsession for a brief period. he makes a tremendous amount of sense and touched topics of thought and conversation that were all but unknown for me. through all of that, i lost my head somewhat. although i have never been much of a follower, i found myself in danger of losing my own convictions in favor of following a much more esoteric pattern of thought. several things about that scared me: i am a person who values individuality, and who is individualistic to the point of abrasion in many cases. (no!) i am a christian (no!) who at that time and now, walked in many pathways where i shouldn't have walked, and juju's philosophies, seductive as they were, led to places where i didn't know how to be. i responded by pulling away, and getting scared, and using an age difference as a reason to feel superior..and not so trapped (my doing, not his). all of that explaining give this direct address: i have always admired and respected you, even when i didn't agree with you. it has never been my intention to hurt or insult you. you always scared me a little, but that was my reaction, not anything you did. i am sorry if i came across any other way, and hope that this is all over (now that my soul is bared, i have to sew it a garment of fig leaves, i think). so sorry, and i certainly have never felt myself superior to you (although i probably tried like hell to make it look that way.). now that this public confession is done, i'm going to go recover. a much contrite darlene __________________ Taking up smoking to lose weight.

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09-11-2002, 02:49 PM	#6
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Wow... I think I understand now. This bears a longer reply.. but i'll leave this message here until I can gather time to write one.

09-11-2002, 07:45 PM	#8
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Maggie! I love how ya keep us honest. LOL! Now, unsure if I am suffering from maturity, fatique, or both, I'll leave these two to work it out. Does young juju possess the hypnotic charms of the deeeviiilll? One must wonder...

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