Carter: America tortures - Page 9

Kitsune · 10-30-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The only right road against undemocracy is to win against it.

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

So, if the US once ruled waterboarding a war crime once upon time, is it now no longer considered that because we're the people administering it or is 1947 too "pre-9/11" to understand?

Happy Monkey · 10-30-2007, 04:12 PM

More waterboarding history.

TheMercenary · 10-30-2007, 04:15 PM

Wonder if it would help make illegal's in the US go home?

lookout123 · 10-30-2007, 05:02 PM

no, but i bet if you put a bullet in the skull of 1/3 illegals caught coming across and let the word get out, they'd quit coming.

bluecuracao · 10-30-2007, 06:10 PM

Probably more than that get killed, maimed, or raped trying to get here as it is, so I bet you're wrong.

lookout123 · 10-30-2007, 06:33 PM

i think you exaggerate a bit, but let's pretend you are correct. you are saying that the illegals who make it this far only represent 2/3 of those that started the journey. ok. so if we take 1/3 that make it this far and put one in the back of the head that leaves only 43% of those that started the journey. Then you put an appropriate punishment in place for employers caught with illegal employees (such as the law recently passed in arizona). So now you have only a 43% chance of surviving your journey and will have a hard time finding a job once you arrive... my guess is you'd see a reduction in traffic.

bluecuracao · 10-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Since you think I'm exaggerating, you might want to watch this film sometime:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/filmfest/slc/11032005.html

TheMercenary · 10-30-2007, 07:05 PM

AmnestyUSA... now there's a credible source. Not.

lookout123 · 10-30-2007, 07:06 PM

i live not too far from the border and deal with illegals frequently. i'll listen to the first hand accounts rather than an agenda based documentary.

TheMercenary · 10-30-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

no, but i bet if you put a bullet in the skull of 1/3 illegals caught coming across and let the word get out, they'd quit coming.

Random land mines would be much more effective. The Coyotes always lead. From what I have read one of those big fires in Southern Calf. exposed all their cover and it is going to be a lot harder to cross now. Maybe they need to have a few more controlled border fires.

bluecuracao · 10-30-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

AmnestyUSA... now there's a credible source. Not.

Um, you can find the movie--"Wetback"--on imdb.com and amazon as well.

TheMercenary · 10-30-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Um, you can find the movie--"Wetback"--on imdb.com and amazon as well.

I can also find Mr. Magoo and Free Willy.

bluecuracao · 10-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123

i live not too far from the border and deal with illegals frequently. i'll listen to the first hand accounts rather than an agenda based documentary.

Srsly--you should check it out, and then make your judgment. It won't kill you, I promise.

bluecuracao · 10-30-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I can also find Mr. Magoo and Free Willy.

That's nice, but they're not relevant to the topic at hand, are they.

Aliantha · 10-30-2007, 07:16 PM

Just because it's on the AI site does not mean anything other than AI endorses the film.

It's a documentary made by an independant production company. Unlike Mr Magoo and Free Willy of course.

10-30-2007, 04:12 PM	#122
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	More waterboarding history. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-30-2007, 04:15 PM	#123
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Wonder if it would help make illegal's in the US go home? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-30-2007, 05:02 PM	#124
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	no, but i bet if you put a bullet in the skull of 1/3 illegals caught coming across and let the word get out, they'd quit coming. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-30-2007, 06:33 PM	#126
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i think you exaggerate a bit, but let's pretend you are correct. you are saying that the illegals who make it this far only represent 2/3 of those that started the journey. ok. so if we take 1/3 that make it this far and put one in the back of the head that leaves only 43% of those that started the journey. Then you put an appropriate punishment in place for employers caught with illegal employees (such as the law recently passed in arizona). So now you have only a 43% chance of surviving your journey and will have a hard time finding a job once you arrive... my guess is you'd see a reduction in traffic. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-30-2007, 07:05 PM	#128
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	AmnestyUSA... now there's a credible source. Not. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-30-2007, 06:10 PM	#125
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Probably more than that get killed, maimed, or raped trying to get here as it is, so I bet you're wrong.

10-30-2007, 07:01 PM	#127
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Since you think I'm exaggerating, you might want to watch this film sometime: http://www.amnestyusa.org/filmfest/slc/11032005.html

10-30-2007, 07:06 PM	#129
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i live not too far from the border and deal with illegals frequently. i'll listen to the first hand accounts rather than an agenda based documentary. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-30-2007, 07:16 PM	#135
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Just because it's on the AI site does not mean anything other than AI endorses the film. It's a documentary made by an independant production company. Unlike Mr Magoo and Free Willy of course. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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