Shooting at Virginia Tech - Page 9

Spexxvet · 04-18-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

I actually faced a similar issue some semesters ago. ...

I just remembered that I had an "encounter" in the early eighties. I sold glasses to a young woman. She told me that she had just been in the service for about six months (as I remember). I commented that it was strange to only be in for six months, and she said that she and the service made a mutaual agreement that she should be discharged. Her name was Sylvia Seegrist.

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It was estimated that this woman had fired twenty rounds, and the toll that day was two dead and eight wounded. When she was stopped, she had 10 bullets left in one of her clips.

SadistSecret · 04-18-2007, 09:36 AM

I'm just dreading the news spectacle there will be on the 20th, since that's the 8th anniversary of the Columbine incident. I've already seen advertisements for programs that are covering that old story, as well as the VT one. I wonder who the fuck can't just let the dead horse lay there, and let the people in Colorado have some fucking rest already. I'm pretty sure they don't want to watch some thing about the most horrifying thing some of them had experienced, and I really don't want to watch it either.

Clodfobble · 04-18-2007, 10:34 AM

Sounds like the student he punched should have been encouraged more strongly to press charges. He was the one person who had the legal opportunity to get this guy looked at.

freshnesschronic · 04-18-2007, 10:39 AM

Ok, I'm glad it is not just me who thinks America is not "rampant" with violence. Remember what the word rampant bears in mind. Unchecked, furious and growing and out of control.

SadistSecret · 04-18-2007, 10:43 AM

I think there are certain areas that might be rampant with violence, but my country as a whole? Nah.

Kitsune · 04-18-2007, 12:44 PM

Oh, joy. Look who's getting involved in the funerals for the victims.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-18-2007, 05:31 PM

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_5695553

I hope this person gets flogged publically. This is pathetic and immature.

Cloud · 04-18-2007, 05:34 PM

well, you can't lock up everyone who has the potential to do violence. There'd be no one left on the outside.

Cloud · 04-18-2007, 09:16 PM

they're playing the killer's tapes right now on CNN. It is just fucking horrific.

That kid had NO connection to reality, whatsoever.

daniwong · 04-18-2007, 09:38 PM

I used to work for a university and we had to deal with mental health issues within the university as well as with public health officials and the police department. I've also worked with the police department on mental health issues.

I can't remember who just wrote about the grey area (and kudos to you for pointing this out) but in dealing with both the university system as well as the police department - the mental health system and process is one HUGE grey area.

For instance - (yes - psychology major - specifically abnormal psychology) - most of the time skitzophrenia develops in the early 20's when people are in college. In my college years - 5 1/2 - I had to attend commitment proceedings on 12 different students as they were skitzophrenic and were harmful to themselves as well as to others. The issue is with most of these students is that they are aldults so you can't get the parents involved to assist with the help they so desperately need. The other issue that we came up across - and this has been mentioned in the news media - is that a lot of these kids were asian. (I'm chinese FYI) One of the psychologists that I've worked with and for find different cultures views of mental illness some of the hardest things to overcome.

The issue on doing something - if you notice something that just doesn't seem right - ask someone (aka care) if they are ok. If the response just seems off - discuss it with a crisis line, or in a university setting - a counselor, your dorm director - someone. So many people out there need help and don't know where to get it.

Does this excuse anything that happend this week. Absolutely not. But it does show some insight into it. In all - it is tragic and I truly feel for those victims.

*and something else that completely bothers me - I was watching the interviews with his former roomates and they were sitting there smiling during most of the interview. Not sure if they were just smiling for the camera or what - but it really just rubbed me the wrong way*

FLAME ON!

TheMercenary · 04-18-2007, 09:58 PM

Observation:

A lot of the pundits on the tube keep hanging their hats on the fact that this guy was found at one time to be "a danger to himself, and a danger to others." Further, he was at one time committed for this behavior, against his will. This is a snap shot of how our system works and how it is broken. He was committed one time for that behavior at that time. He was obviously released, because he was "no longer a threat" or he never would have been released. And so goes the revolving door of mental health care here in the US. Most people with serious mental health issues end up in jail, not getting the help they really need. We have closed the asylums and hospitals and replaced them with prisons. It is no surprise that this guy was out and about.

Spexxvet · 04-19-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ha, ha, ha.

Damm tootin. There is not enough money out there to fix the problems with the mental health system in the US.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Observation:

A lot of the pundits on the tube keep hanging their hats on the fact that this guy was found at one time to be "a danger to himself, and a danger to others." Further, he was at one time committed for this behavior, against his will. This is a snap shot of how our system works and how it is broken. He was committed one time for that behavior at that time. He was obviously released, because he was "no longer a threat" or he never would have been released. And so goes the revolving door of mental health care here in the US. Most people with serious mental health issues end up in jail, not getting the help they really need. We have closed the asylums and hospitals and replaced them with prisons. It is no surprise that this guy was out and about.

Well, complaining isn't going to fix it, either.

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Well, complaining isn't going to fix it, either.

Ok, then quit your bitching.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-18-2007, 11:16 PM

I want to hear how this guy's life was like in high school. I have a feelign that will answer many questions.

Cloud · 04-18-2007, 11:21 PM

as far as I know, there's never been enough resources for the mentally ill anywhere. It looks as though people were seeing the warning signs, and were reporting them. It seems as though he had no one to step in and care for him, anyway. Maybe his parents were glad to ship him off to college.

Again, there needs to be a better safety net for teenagers.

04-18-2007, 09:36 AM	#2
SadistSecret Even If you choose to love me, I will always choose to fall. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Des Moines. Posts: 139	I'm just dreading the news spectacle there will be on the 20th, since that's the 8th anniversary of the Columbine incident. I've already seen advertisements for programs that are covering that old story, as well as the VT one. I wonder who the fuck can't just let the dead horse lay there, and let the people in Colorado have some fucking rest already. I'm pretty sure they don't want to watch some thing about the most horrifying thing some of them had experienced, and I really don't want to watch it either. __________________ "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!!

04-18-2007, 10:43 AM	#5
SadistSecret Even If you choose to love me, I will always choose to fall. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Des Moines. Posts: 139	I think there are certain areas that might be rampant with violence, but my country as a whole? Nah. __________________ "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!!

04-18-2007, 05:34 PM	#8
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	well, you can't lock up everyone who has the potential to do violence. There'd be no one left on the outside. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-18-2007, 09:16 PM	#9
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	they're playing the killer's tapes right now on CNN. It is just fucking horrific. That kid had NO connection to reality, whatsoever. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-18-2007, 09:38 PM	#10
daniwong Vice-President of Resentment Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 196	I used to work for a university and we had to deal with mental health issues within the university as well as with public health officials and the police department. I've also worked with the police department on mental health issues. I can't remember who just wrote about the grey area (and kudos to you for pointing this out) but in dealing with both the university system as well as the police department - the mental health system and process is one HUGE grey area. For instance - (yes - psychology major - specifically abnormal psychology) - most of the time skitzophrenia develops in the early 20's when people are in college. In my college years - 5 1/2 - I had to attend commitment proceedings on 12 different students as they were skitzophrenic and were harmful to themselves as well as to others. The issue is with most of these students is that they are aldults so you can't get the parents involved to assist with the help they so desperately need. The other issue that we came up across - and this has been mentioned in the news media - is that a lot of these kids were asian. (I'm chinese FYI) One of the psychologists that I've worked with and for find different cultures views of mental illness some of the hardest things to overcome. The issue on doing something - if you notice something that just doesn't seem right - ask someone (aka care) if they are ok. If the response just seems off - discuss it with a crisis line, or in a university setting - a counselor, your dorm director - someone. So many people out there need help and don't know where to get it. Does this excuse anything that happend this week. Absolutely not. But it does show some insight into it. In all - it is tragic and I truly feel for those victims. and something else that completely bothers me - I was watching the interviews with his former roomates and they were sitting there smiling during most of the interview. Not sure if they were just smiling for the camera or what - but it really just rubbed me the wrong way FLAME ON! __________________ Mistress of all that is claim related.

04-18-2007, 10:34 AM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Sounds like the student he punched should have been encouraged more strongly to press charges. He was the one person who had the legal opportunity to get this guy looked at.

04-18-2007, 10:39 AM	#4
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Ok, I'm glad it is not just me who thinks America is not "rampant" with violence. Remember what the word rampant bears in mind. Unchecked, furious and growing and out of control.

04-18-2007, 12:44 PM	#6
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Oh, joy. Look who's getting involved in the funerals for the victims.

04-18-2007, 05:31 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_5695553 I hope this person gets flogged publically. This is pathetic and immature.

04-18-2007, 09:58 PM	#11
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Observation: A lot of the pundits on the tube keep hanging their hats on the fact that this guy was found at one time to be "a danger to himself, and a danger to others." Further, he was at one time committed for this behavior, against his will. This is a snap shot of how our system works and how it is broken. He was committed one time for that behavior at that time. He was obviously released, because he was "no longer a threat" or he never would have been released. And so goes the revolving door of mental health care here in the US. Most people with serious mental health issues end up in jail, not getting the help they really need. We have closed the asylums and hospitals and replaced them with prisons. It is no surprise that this guy was out and about. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-18-2007, 11:16 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I want to hear how this guy's life was like in high school. I have a feelign that will answer many questions.

04-18-2007, 11:21 PM	#15
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	as far as I know, there's never been enough resources for the mentally ill anywhere. It looks as though people were seeing the warning signs, and were reporting them. It seems as though he had no one to step in and care for him, anyway. Maybe his parents were glad to ship him off to college. Again, there needs to be a better safety net for teenagers. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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