Hezbollah night-vision gear manufactured in Britain

[Undertoad]

Er, good point, I hadn't noticed that.

[Hippikos]

Which is actually MaggieL finding 'Kos slagging Bruce for being a "co-owner" hysterically funny.

Er... not slagging, just observing.

By the way, "facts" that have heavy perspective dependencies have little claim on actually being facts as opposed to interpretations.

Funny, I already predicted this answer in my earlier message, albeit from her sista Brianna: "Of course Brianna would call these statistics antisemitic, wouldn't she?".

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Funny, I already predicted this answer in my earlier message, albeit from her sista Brianna: "Of course Brianna would call these statistics antisemitic, wouldn't she?".

That's quite a stretch from what I actually said to claiming that your prediction is fulfilled.

As you note I'm not Brianna, furthermore I'm not her sista in any sense (that's another howler, there) and I didn't call anything anti-Semitic; I simply pointed out that something that is highly dependant on perspective isn't a fact, it's an interpretation. Of course, other than that you're batting 1.000.

Facts don't come from perspectives. tw is very fond of referring to his opinons as "facts", perhaps in the hope it will spare them close inspection. You know he's entered 100% incoherent mode when he starts foaming about "these are the facts".

[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

That's quite a stretch from what I actually said to claiming that your prediction is fulfilled.

As you note I'm not Brianna, furthermore I'm not her sista in any sense (that's another howler, there) and I didn't call anything anti-Semitic; I simply pointed out that something that is highly dependant on perspective isn't a fact, it's an interpretation. Of course, other than that you're batting 1.000.

Facts don't come from perspectives. tw is very fond of referring to his opinons as "facts", perhaps in the hope it will spare them close inspection. You know he's entered 100% incoherent mode when he starts foaming about "these are the facts".

Facts are facts, numbers in a certain order of a certain magnitude. These are not opinions, or presumptions, these are simple facts. It's you who take the perspective of ignoring it.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Er... not slagging, just observing.

Bruce was recently elected co-moderator mostly because he seemed to be one of the least loony users who was willing to do the job. Wolf was the other, as I recall. If you really want to find my "sista" here, wolf would be one good candidate.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

If you really want to find my "sista" here, wolf would be one good candidate.

That is quite touching!! Thanks!

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Er... not slagging, just observing.

Then you're not being very observant, as it happens.

When it comes down to it, nobody "owns" The Cellar. Well, okay, UT is the owner/operator/sysadmin in the sense that it's his stuff ... but the real ownership of The Cellar is in the hands of the people who participate, lurk, or visit occasionally here.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by wolf

Well, okay, UT is the owner/operator/sysadmin in the sense that it's his stuff ...

It's probably worth mentioning in this context that in something like a dozen years of being here, I have never known UT to take advantage of his sysop privs to bias a discussion. In fact, I seem to recall that one reason he called for election of additional moderators (other than to share the routine work of spamkilling) was to reduce the mere appearance that being the current owner of the Cellar gave him any kind of a special halo as a Cellar user.

[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by wolf

Then you're not being very observant, as it happens.

When it comes down to it, nobody "owns" The Cellar. Well, okay, UT is the owner/operator/sysadmin in the sense that it's his stuff ... but the real ownership of The Cellar is in the hands of the people who participate, lurk, or visit occasionally here.

Observant enough to notice that both had the authorisation to use my personal information like IP adress. Using this in an open discussion is just not done, especially when one is a moderator, don't you think?

Personally I don't really care, as it's not important. But I can't see why for the usual supects it's important in a discussion what my origin is. You may have noticed that I strictly confine myself to the actual discussion whithout referring to the other like antisemitic, communist, or worse.... European...

[headsplice]

Let me see if I can get this straight...
The Palestinians are both the innocent victims of Israeli aggression and terrorists who kill Israeli civilians.
The Israeli's are trying to defend their homeland from people who blow themselves up in markets by dropping using full-blown military incursions into sovereign territory.
And who again are the people that are 'right' and 'good' in this situation?

[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by headsplice

The Israeli's are trying to defend their homeland from people who blow themselves up in markets by dropping using full-blown military incursions into sovereign territory.
And who again are the people that are 'right' and 'good' in this situation?

It's not defend, make that "extend". I thought I made that clear by several quotes from Israelian politician and military.

The right and the good people are those who pursue peace, from both sides.

[headsplice]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

It's not defend, make that "extend". I thought I made that clear by several quotes from Israelian politician and military.

The right and the good people are those who pursue peace, from both sides.

The point is that neither side is in the right. Both sides commit acts that are unacceptable.
MaggieL: how large is a metric assload? And, since it must be some sort of dual hemispherical shape, do you include the crevice in your measurement?

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by headsplice

MaggieL: how large is a metric assload?

It's an industry term.

Originally Posted by My Cousin Vinny

Vinny Gambini: [Vinny hears a drip in the background] Did you use the faucet?
Lisa: Yeah.
Vinny Gambini: Why didn't you turn it off?
Lisa: I DID turn it off!
Vinny Gambini: Well if you turned it off, why am I listening to it?
Lisa: Did it ever occur to you it could be turned off AND drip at the same time?
Vinny Gambini: No! Because if you'd turn it off, it wouldn't drip!
Lisa: Maybe it's broken.
Vinny Gambini: Is that what you say? It's broken?
Lisa: Yeah. That's it, it's broken.
Vinny Gambini: You sure?
Lisa: I'm positive.
Vinny Gambini: Maybe you didn't twist it hard enough.
Lisa: I twisted it just right.
Vinny Gambini: How could you be so sure?
Lisa: [sighs] You will look in the manual, you will see that this particular model faucet requires a range of 10 to 16 foot-pounds of torque. I routinely twisted the maximum allowable torquage.
Vinny Gambini: How could you be sure you used 16 foot-pounds of torque?
Lisa: Because I used a Crafstman model 1019 Laboratory Edition Signature Series torque wrench. The kind used by Caltech high energy physicists. And NASA engineers.
Vinny Gambini: Well, in that case, how can you be sure THAT's accurate?
Lisa: Because a split second before the torque wrench was applied to the faucet handle, it had been calibrated by top members of the state AND federal Department of Weights and Measures... to be dead on balls accurate! Here's the certificate of validation.
Vinny Gambini: Dead on balls accurate?
Lisa: It's an industry term.
Vinny Gambini: [tosses paper away] I guess the fucking thing is broken.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by headsplice

The point is that neither side is in the right. Both sides commit acts that are unacceptable.

"Moral equivalance".

[headsplice]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

"Moral equivalance".

No. Moral equivalence says that no one can be wrong when they commit horrible acts. I'm saying that everyone is wrong.