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[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by DanaC
It's difficult to find anything that isnt very very anti Moore on google. I dont really consider that to be indicative of anything other than the vociferousness of his opponents ( as evidenced by the huge number of blogs )
But I did find a few interesting articles about him and his work.

The Guardian and the Times...whoo! Big surprises there!

This quote sums it up perfectly for me...

Many conservatives denounce him as a leftist, when in fact the serious left, the thinking left, generally finds him appalling. He is, in short, the latest in the modern breed of Limosine Leftists -- individuals who, while personally they share the values of 19th century robber barons, find it flattering to adopt a thin (and personally meaningless) veneer of leftism as a pose, in the same manner they pick a flattering hair style or gown.

--Paul T. Hardy

[richlevy]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
No, but a million dollar apartment anywhere hardly makes him main stream American.

As opposed to who, George W. 'man of the people' Bush? I don't begrudge him his money, just as I don't care that the Constitutional Convention was made up of rich white guys. The point is whether or not his facts are straight.

As for his opinions, I find that he acts as a nice balance to Joe Scarborough and all of the other 'fair and balanced' , assholes*.

*Note to lawyers - the preceding is my opinion, so please do not sue this BBS.

[elSicomoro]

No one's facts are completely straight...not a one. Some are better than others, IMO, but in the end, they're all a bunch of commentators selling you their POV.

It's fun to watch them throw shit at each other though...hell, it's fun to watch people throw shit at each other here.

[DanaC]

No one's facts are completely straight...not a one. Some are better than others, IMO, but in the end, they're all a bunch of commentators selling you their POV

That I can go along with

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by DanaC
Million dollar apartments may not be the average for American citizens, but I wouldnt mind betting it's very low for a filmmaker/celebrity/author. How much does the average minor TV star spend on their home? The average value of a property in the state of NewYork is I think around the $250k mark. So his home is four times the value of an average New Yorker's home. I dont think that's exactly monumental in it's extravagance.

As proven more and more, being a celebrity is not something to be particularly proud of these days. Like most of them he's a scumbag.
Only four times the average home in NYC? That's a laugh. Most people in NYC don't own their homes. They rent a home because they can't afford to own one. Of the people that do own, many only own them because they bought them when they were cheap.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I havent seen anything yet which proves him a charlatan I have found plenty to make me doubt the honesty of those making that claim.

Then wear your "Idiot" badge proudly.

[DanaC]

I think I already said I was going to do that :P

[Troubleshooter]

I did a search for it and couldn't find it posted here, but if it was I apologize.

Anyone seen this:

http://www.moorewatch.com/

MOOREWATCH is dedicated to unearthing the truth behind the doublespeak and falsehood that spews from the mouth (and keyboard) of Michael Moore on a regular basis. Moore is a disingenuous danger to this country, and his assumptions and assertions should not go unchallenged. The collective expertise and research abilities of the entire Internet are more than enough to debunk most of the nonsense Moore regularly puts forth as fact, and we at MOOREWATCH hope to be the clearinghouse for this information.

[Happy Monkey]

Heh. A "danger to this country". And he calls Moore disingenuous.

Moore wouldn't be "dangerous" even if every word of his movies were a lie.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Happy Monkey
Heh. A "danger to this country". And he calls Moore disingenuous.

Moore wouldn't be "dangerous" even if every word of his movies were a lie.

Words and ideas are more dangerous than all of the weapons ever made put together.

[jaguar]

I kinda like moore, sure he's trashy as all hell and blows everything out of proportion but he usually does have a point under it all, he's just a showman.

Frankly I don't see whether he lives in a cardboard box in subway tunnel or a $25m penthouse with solid gold bathtaps makes the slightest bit of difference. My experience has shown me that if there is one social divide it's PC to bitch about it's wealth and it's often the least justified.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally posted by Troubleshooter
Words and ideas are more dangerous than all of the weapons ever made put together.

Indeed. But not Moore's. If he started saying dangerous things, he could be dangerous. But what he says is not dangerous, whether or not it is true.

[Yelof]

I enjoy listening to Michael Moore's opinions. He reminds me that there are other voices in America then the ones that typically make their way over the Atlantic. I am encoraged to hear that he is a bestselling author in America, I only hope that he makes people stop and think by his criticisms.

If American conservatives think he is a danger to America by presenting a distorted lens on the country, they are quite mistaken, I think he instead increases people's opinion of America by showing it is capable of self criticism

He often is too loud, too eager, much of what he does is showbiz.. but what do you expect he is American after all

[LN]

*agrees with Yelof*

At the very least he balances out the more extreme of the right-wingers.

[Undertoad]

And the sad balance of probability is that Abu Ghraib will be displaced from the front pages by the next terrorist outrage, the next Bali, the next Madrid, the next 9/11 until we find ourselves wondering why it upset us at all.

Smart guy, that Wretchard at Belmont Club...

They say it took them 5 hacks to cut Berg's head off. They say he was still screaming until the third.