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yesman065 · 12-14-2006, 02:47 PM

This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions.
Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes
Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes
Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High.
Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.

lumberjim · 12-14-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions.
Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes
Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes
Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High.
Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.

dude. moving on happens AFTER resolution. i can't explain it to you without sounding like a dick. just trust that there is something going on here that needs to happen. so stop trying to sound wise and adult and telling people to stop fighting. fighting can be good.

see, i sounded like a dick to you anyway.

DanaC · 12-14-2006, 03:28 PM

People lie. People embellish. People have wierd shit happen to them. Sometimes all three can be present in a single story. It wasn't mari creating division, it was mari and all of the people who chose to get so upset over what may or may not have been fantasies. People leapt right in at every given opportunity to slag her off the second she opened her mouth and that's been going on as long as I've been coming into the Cellar.

So what if she wasn't totally honest (she may have been, there's no way to know). Is that how you'd have treated Walter Mitty? Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies?

Many times, I saw posts of Mari's that had fuck all to do with 'whining' and everything to do with making political points and observations through first hand experience. Those posts were met with a hail of criticism and personal insults which she defended, next thing is all hell's broken loose.

Don't blame Mari for being divisive, blame yourselves (ourselves) for allowing the mob mentality to hold sway. At any time, any one of us could have just not posted the attack, not taken the argument on. We did this, not mari.

skysidhe · 12-14-2006, 03:44 PM

DanaC and Happy Monkey are sweet hearted people.

Undertoad · 12-14-2006, 04:20 PM

The first two times the staple gets stuck, it gets stuck on the outside ring of the lock. I could have sat there all day from 1 - 2 inches away, and shot at it. There just isn't enough force for it to stick that way. I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box. That makes it that much more than impossible. My "lock" overhangs so there is space for the other staple prong to hang over the edge of the lock.

Yes, this is overkill.

Happy Monkey · 12-14-2006, 04:45 PM

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I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box.

That's not relevant if the staple goes into the keyhole, without anything hanging out.

lumberjim · 12-14-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

That's not relevant if the staple goes into the keyhole, without anything hanging out.

not what she stated. besides, have you ever seen a keyhole? not the ones they draw in cartoons, now. an actual keyhole? POB keyholes are very uniform. small, tight fit, and decidedly un staple shaped.

I'd go so far as to say that you probably couldn't insert a stple into a PO box manually (without bending it) in such a way that it became lodged tight enough to break off when you attempted to extract it.

this is all smoke anyway. i refuse to believe that you believe it. you;re obviously trying to make some subtle point. why not just come out and say it?

Happy Monkey · 12-14-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

not what she stated.

She said it went in the hole, and she had to pry it out. If it was just hanging out, she wouldn't have had to pry.

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besides, have you ever seen a keyhole? not the ones they draw in cartoons, now. an actual keyhole? POB keyholes are very uniform. small, tight fit, and decidedly un staple shaped.

Real keyholes are more staple shaped than cartoon ones - small rectangles. I just stuck a staple halfway into a desk lock without bending it, but it got caught on something when I pulled it out, and bent slightly.

Undertoad · 12-14-2006, 04:41 PM

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Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies?

Maybe like a logic puzzle --

If you believe that some of her posts are fantasy,

and everything you know of her condition is from her posts,

what can you say with certainty about her condition?

Is it charity to simply believe her? No, because our charity requires skepticism, otherwise everyone would claim victimhood and our charity would not keep up with demand. Charity to charlatans is charity we can no longer afford to those who deserve it.

Is it charity to ignore her? I can't imagine how that is a charitable response.

DanaC · 12-14-2006, 05:29 PM

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Is it charity to simply believe her? No, because our charity requires skepticism, otherwise everyone would claim victimhood and our charity would not keep up with demand.

Charity? That's not a bit arrogant. Civility on the other hands costs nothing. It's an internet forum. It's a wonderful thing, but it really doesn't shake the world, if someone posts stuff you don't believe. Why does it matter?

lumberjim · 12-14-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Charity? That's not a bit arrogant. Civility on the other hands costs nothing. It's an internet forum. It's a wonderful thing, but it really doesn't shake the world, if someone posts stuff you don't believe. Why does it matter?

because then the only real thing about this place is unreal.

Undertoad · 12-14-2006, 05:51 PM

There ya go, since apparently we're on CSI now: the length of the standard PO Box lock is smaller than the width of the smallest available staple gun staple.

Aliantha · 12-14-2006, 06:27 PM

For fucks sake! This is the most ridiculous juvenile discussion I've ever had the misfortune to read.

She's gone. Those of you who wanted her gone should be happy. Not still buying into what you all continually suggested was her attention seeking ways. She's fucking gone, so just fucking shut the hell up and move on.

From what I can see on this thread, the people who've had their own way are the ones proving that they did provoke and create most of the problems associated with this banning.

Who gives a rats hairy arse if the staple got stuck or it didn't? Who cares if she's a pathological liar? Who cares if you hate her guts?

It would seem to me that the only people who care that much about those particular questions are those of you who wanted her gone, and guess what??? She's gone, so now you'll never know.

GET OVER IT!!!

lumberjim · 12-14-2006, 06:36 PM

so, what are you trying to say?

Aliantha · 12-14-2006, 06:50 PM

You having problems understanding again lj?

12-14-2006, 06:27 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	For fucks sake! This is the most ridiculous juvenile discussion I've ever had the misfortune to read. She's gone. Those of you who wanted her gone should be happy. Not still buying into what you all continually suggested was her attention seeking ways. She's fucking gone, so just fucking shut the hell up and move on. From what I can see on this thread, the people who've had their own way are the ones proving that they did provoke and create most of the problems associated with this banning. Who gives a rats hairy arse if the staple got stuck or it didn't? Who cares if she's a pathological liar? Who cares if you hate her guts? It would seem to me that the only people who care that much about those particular questions are those of you who wanted her gone, and guess what??? She's gone, so now you'll never know. GET OVER IT!!! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-14-2006, 06:36 PM	#14
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	so, what are you trying to say? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-14-2006, 06:50 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You having problems understanding again lj? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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12-14-2006, 02:47 PM	#1
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions. Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High. Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.

12-14-2006, 03:28 PM	#3
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	People lie. People embellish. People have wierd shit happen to them. Sometimes all three can be present in a single story. It wasn't mari creating division, it was mari and all of the people who chose to get so upset over what may or may not have been fantasies. People leapt right in at every given opportunity to slag her off the second she opened her mouth and that's been going on as long as I've been coming into the Cellar. So what if she wasn't totally honest (she may have been, there's no way to know). Is that how you'd have treated Walter Mitty? Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies? Many times, I saw posts of Mari's that had fuck all to do with 'whining' and everything to do with making political points and observations through first hand experience. Those posts were met with a hail of criticism and personal insults which she defended, next thing is all hell's broken loose. Don't blame Mari for being divisive, blame yourselves (ourselves) for allowing the mob mentality to hold sway. At any time, any one of us could have just not posted the attack, not taken the argument on. We did this, not mari.

12-14-2006, 03:44 PM	#4
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	DanaC and Happy Monkey are sweet hearted people.

12-14-2006, 04:20 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The first two times the staple gets stuck, it gets stuck on the outside ring of the lock. I could have sat there all day from 1 - 2 inches away, and shot at it. There just isn't enough force for it to stick that way. I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box. That makes it that much more than impossible. My "lock" overhangs so there is space for the other staple prong to hang over the edge of the lock. Yes, this is overkill.

12-14-2006, 05:51 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There ya go, since apparently we're on CSI now: the length of the standard PO Box lock is smaller than the width of the smallest available staple gun staple.

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