No House resolution honoring SEAL's bin Laden mission

[Jill]

Okay, here's the deal. I honestly couldn't care less if there's a freaking Resolution on record or not. If the subject had never come up, I assure you I wouldn't have even given it a second thought.

But once the Senate came together and passed a non-partisan Resolution, I thought, "How nice." Then I heard that John Boehner had defiantly refused to do so, and I was outraged.

So why was I outraged that Boehner refused to do something I wouldn't have cared had he not done in the first place?

Because once it was "out there" and the Senate had passed theirs, it became crystal clear to me that John Boehner was turning this into yet another ugly stab at our President because G-d forbid they acknowledge something he succeeded at. It wasn't about expediency or time better spent on more important legislation (they've only passed 3 fucking bills in the 4 months they've been in control as it is). It was an intentional slap in the face to our President. It was a "Screw You" if there ever was one. And I find that reprehensible.

That's why.

[Flint]

And you just so happen to some by the knowledge that this happened. Insignificant as you admit it is, you just happen to have heard about it. Not as though you had time to comb through a massive catalogue of the day's events from around the world, is it? Something more like, you turned on the TV/Radio or opened a newspaper and this OUTRAGE this BLOOD-BOILING OUTRAGE just, coincidentally (because nobody really plans what's in the news, do they?) just coincidentally happened to enter into your conciousness and induce this MOTHERFUCKING OUTRAGE AT THESE GODDAMN BASTARDS WHO ARE AT IT AGAIN!!!1 But of course you're not being manipulated or anything. You CHOSE to know about this, right? This pointless event which means nothing to you, and couldn't have possibly had any substantive effect on anything, ever. You CHOSE (right?) to be SO GODDAMN OUTRAGED at this non-event that there was no purpose in you hearing about. But of course, you're not being manipulated.



Right?

[Jill]

You know, it is possible for grown adults to hear or read a news story and formulate an opinion based solely on facts without having been "manipulated."

Did you bother to read the article I linked to right there in the OP? If you had, you would have found differing opinions on the issue being represented by Democrats in the house, one of whom said:

But, Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), whose district includes the Pentagon, said he didn’t have a problem with the GOP decision.

“That’s their call,” he said. “It doesn’t make a whole lot of difference whether we vote for a resolution or not. I’m sure the military knows how supportive of them and how proud of them we all are.”

So tell me, was he, or the writer of the piece trying to "manipulate" me into thinking it was no big deal?

Jesus FUCK you've got some raging assholes on this forum. Perhaps my time away was best left that way.

Sorry guys, I'm outta here again. This isn't the kind of political debate I was seeking out. This is just plain rudeness, and frankly, I have no desire to put up with it.

Peace, Out.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Jill

You know, it is possible for grown adults to hear or read a news story and formulate an opinion based solely on facts without having been "manipulated."

Did you bother to read the article I linked to right there in the OP? If you had, you would have found differing opinions on the issue being represented by Democrats in the house, one of whom said: So tell me, was he, or the writer of the piece trying to "manipulate" me into thinking it was no big deal?

Jesus FUCK you've got some raging assholes on this forum. Perhaps my time away was best left that way.

Sorry guys, I'm outta here again. This isn't the kind of political debate I was seeking out. This is just plain rudeness, and frankly, I have no desire to put up with it.

Peace, Out.

I think Speaker Boehner was in a tough spot and took the easy way out.

He is dealing with a freshman class of mostly Tea Party members who, IMO, not only have little or no respect for the institution of Congress as it presently exists (and has for 200+ years) but also a disdain for Obama that goes beyond policy differences. Sure, the institution has many faults, but their slash and burn approach is purely ideological and not a very pragmatic way of addressing the larger issue.

My impression is that the TP crowd has no interest in consensus building or compromise and the resolution was an issue that I assume Boehner figured was not worth pissing them off over, saving those chips for bigger battles to come.

The resolution that was proposed in House commended the forces on site, the intel community and, heres's the problem IMO, both Bush and Obama equally.

I make that assumption based on some of their personal remarks/press releases that I have seen that give all the credit to Bush.

As to these same members of Congress on the issue of wasting time on such purposeless resolutions, I would point to the fact that they have spent hours and days on resolutions and floor speeches to kill the Affordable Care Act, knowing full well that it has no chance of passage in the Senate. A clear of waste of time.

I think this discussion has run its course, much of it in an ugly manner by a few.

Now come back, please.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Jill

You know, it is possible for grown adults to hear or read a news story and formulate an opinion based solely on facts without having been "manipulated."

You totally missed the point, then.

Somebody, somewhere, actually chooses what is shown on the news. This part, you have no control over.

Your reaction, this discussion, and everything else is completely based on the fact that this was ON THE NEWS TO BEGIN WITH. I ask again. Have you been manipulated? I'm not questioning your ability to interpret a news story. I'm questioning whether this was news to begin with.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Flint

You totally missed the point, then.

Somebody, somewhere, actually chooses what is shown on the news. This part, you have no control over.

Your reaction, this discussion, and everything else is completely based on the fact that this was ON THE NEWS TO BEGIN WITH. I ask again. Have you been manipulated? I'm not questioning your ability to interpret a news story. I'm questioning whether this was news to begin with.

I read the opening post Flint. I read the article and saw the site at which the article is posted. I also read your post addressed directly to Jill.

She may have missed your point. I certainly missed your point. I contend that the reason the point was missed is that you don't really make that point in your post. It is LOUDLY proclaiming about how she came to HEAR about it, and lots OF OTHER STUFF about her state of mind, ESPECIALLY about being MANIPULATED, etc., etc. The point "is this news?" is never made in your first post. That's why it was missed.

And you just so happen to some by the knowledge that this happened. Insignificant as you admit it is, you just happen to have heard about it. Not as though you had time to comb through a massive catalogue of the day's events from around the world, is it? Something more like, you turned on the TV/Radio or opened a newspaper and this OUTRAGE this BLOOD-BOILING OUTRAGE just, coincidentally (because nobody really plans what's in the news, do they?) just coincidentally happened to enter into your conciousness and induce this MOTHERFUCKING OUTRAGE AT THESE GODDAMN BASTARDS WHO ARE AT IT AGAIN!!!1 But of course you're not being manipulated or anything. You CHOSE to know about this, right? This pointless event which means nothing to you, and couldn't have possibly had any substantive effect on anything, ever. You CHOSE (right?) to be SO GODDAMN OUTRAGED at this non-event that there was no purpose in you hearing about. But of course, you're not being manipulated.


Right?

You even go so far as contradict yourself in your following post.

I ask again. Have you been manipulated?

--OR--

I'm not questioning your ability to interpret a news story.

Which one is it? Are you asking if she's been manipulated or are you confident in her ability to interpret news stories? Contradiction.


But as for your complaint about your point, this question:

I'm questioning whether this was news to begin with.

does not show up in your first post. No one can get a point you don't make man.

[sexobon]

OK; but, we get to keep Casper as our free gift with your trial offer.

[Aliantha]

Stick around Jill. I need some friends. Apparently mine are all arseholes.

[sexobon]

JSOC it to me, JSOC it to me, JSOC it to me.

[DanaC]

Oh, well done People. The Cellar strikes again.

Why the nastiness and aggression? Someone makes perfectly reasonable points and gets shat on again.

Ffs.

@ Flint: that post is so arrogant. You've basically accused Jill of having no mind of her own and only being interested because she's been manipulated by the press. And not only arrogant but aggressive too.

Personally, I think she made some interesting points. Her arguments stack up more firmly than the counter-argument (to me) in this thread: I have not been bombarded by news on this issue. I am basing my response entirely on what's in this thread. I have seen not one single news report about this issue. It is entirely possible to form this opinion without having it shoved fully formed into your brain by journalists. Try tackling the actual issue instead of making personal attacks.

Jesus fucking Christ.

I'm millimetres away from leaving myself right now. I am so sick of this shit.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by DanaC

@ Flint: that post is so arrogant. You've basically accused Jill of having no mind of her own and only being interested because she's been manipulated by the press. And not only arrogant but aggressive too.

Have you noticed that flint has devolved from participating in the substance of a discussion to merely attacking individuals?

[Aliantha]

I think you should take it up with Flint Dana. Better women than I have tried before.

[Aliantha]

Anyway, Jill wont leave. She knows I, at least, think she's sexy...and smart...and everything I aspire to be.

Don't leave me this waaaaa...ay e ay! I can't survive...

Sorry, I'll shut up now. I've been drinking.

[DanaC]

I think she has already decided to leave actually.

[Aliantha]

Naw...she will still post. At least, I hope she will. She's a cool chick.

Flint just pissed her off, and let's face it, who hasn't Flint pissed off?