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Phase · 10-25-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

In Texas, if you're not burning gasoline, you're not getting anywhere.

Same goes for Tennessee.

glatt · 10-25-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Why the problem with pedestrianised areas? It keeps city centres alive for a start, rather than have all the big shops move out to retail parks. Old people and children feel safer shopping and the area is generally more relaxed. People don't crowd the pavements, but spread out and enjoy the walking experience.

Surely this can't just be a European thing?

It's not really an American thing. Sure, there are a few places here and there, but it's mostly in Europe that I've seen them. And I think they are awesome. I love pedestrian only zones. I just think a sign or two and a cop handing out tickets is a better approach than barricades that give concussions.

Sundae · 10-25-2006, 01:42 PM

Monster explained far more eloquently than me - this form of traffic control is both common and WELL SIGNED in the UK.

These drivers were determined to enter the restricted area regardless.
I feel as much sympathy for them as I do for drink drivers.
Would they have changed their actions knowing the actual outcome? Of course they would. But it's the chance of "getting away with it" that drives them (pardon the pun)

Better this lesson learned now I think.

Happy Monkey · 10-25-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Who, or what, are you arguing with: your own posts, or reality itself?

Neither. I was responding to your faulty premise.

If nobody tried to go there, they wouldn't put up a barrier. But they did put up a barrier, therefore there was a reason for people to try to sneak their cars through.

Flint · 10-25-2006, 01:46 PM

And what is the reason for people to sneak their cars down service paths at parks?
Do you suggest that if no reason exists, then the observed barriers are holograms or hallucinations?

Happy Monkey · 10-25-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

And what is the reason for people to sneak their cars down service paths at parks?
Do you suggest that if no reason exists, then the observed barriers are holograms or hallucinations?

Now you're doing what you constantly complain others do to you, and putting words in others' mouths.

I suggest that reasons exist where barriers are observed. The reason is specific to the individual road.

Flint · 10-25-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Now you're doing what you constantly complain others do to you, and putting words in others' mouths.

But...I used a question mark... . . .

Happy Monkey · 10-25-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

But...I used a question mark... . . .

It's fine with me that you did it, and hopefully now it will be fine with you when others do it.

Flint · 10-25-2006, 02:17 PM

The standard raise time is 6 seconds but can be accelerated for Emergency Fast Operation to 2 seconds.

Sundae · 10-25-2006, 02:26 PM

Bollards are a legal moveable obstruction which amongst other objectives help to protect pedestrians

This is a (UK) Government webiste

Shawnee123 · 10-25-2006, 02:29 PM

From Flint's website post:

Hot dip galvanised to BS1461 - Will not look unsightly
Well, it's good to know they're attractive, too.

From Sundae's website:

Positioning
Rising bollards should not normally be sited close to or at signalled junctions or pedestrian crossings.

Flint · 10-25-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

This is a (UK) Government webiste

"Whilst most applications will be to enable the passage of one vehicle at a time, there will be instances where two or more vehicles attempt to pass through in close succession. The system should ensure that bollards cannot rise beneath a vehicle because of the danger this would create. It is better to risk a certain amount of violation by "tailgating" vehicles, rather that put road users at risk."

glatt · 10-25-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

"Whilst most applications will be to enable the passage of one vehicle at a time, there will be instances where two or more vehicles attempt to pass through in close succession. The system should ensure that bollards cannot rise beneath a vehicle because of the danger this would create. It is better to risk a certain amount of violation by "tailgating" vehicles, rather that put road users at risk."

Good find!

These bollards are in violation of the government guidelines. Also:

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The most effective way of minimising the risk to a pedestrian, a parked vehicle or other obstruction is to have an operator present to initiate the sequence.

If you have someone there anyway, why not have it be a cop directing traffic and writing tickets? Much safer.

Flint · 10-25-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

These bollards are in violation of the government guidelines.

glatt · 10-25-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

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You realize that by posting this, you guaranteed at least another dozen posts, right?

10-25-2006, 01:42 PM	#3
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Monster explained far more eloquently than me - this form of traffic control is both common and WELL SIGNED in the UK. These drivers were determined to enter the restricted area regardless. I feel as much sympathy for them as I do for drink drivers. Would they have changed their actions knowing the actual outcome? Of course they would. But it's the chance of "getting away with it" that drives them (pardon the pun) Better this lesson learned now I think. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-25-2006, 01:46 PM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And what is the reason for people to sneak their cars down service paths at parks? Do you suggest that if no reason exists, then the observed barriers are holograms or hallucinations? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-25-2006, 02:17 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Automated Bollards: The standard raise time is 6 seconds but can be accelerated for Emergency Fast Operation to 2 seconds. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-25-2006, 02:26 PM	#10
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Bollards are a legal moveable obstruction which amongst other objectives help to protect pedestrians This is a (UK) Government webiste __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-25-2006, 02:29 PM	#11
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	From Flint's website post: Hot dip galvanised to BS1461 - Will not look unsightly Well, it's good to know they're attractive, too. From Sundae's website: Positioning Rising bollards should not normally be sited close to or at signalled junctions or pedestrian crossings. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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