Paris attacks

[sexobon]

French authorities have said the attacks were planned in Brussels by a local man, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 28, who fought for Islamic State in Syria and was killed in a police siege of an apartment in the Paris suburb of St. Denis on Wednesday.

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We'd like to be reasonably sure that people like him don't get into the US by posing as refugees in Syria. A fake family and credentials are easy to assemble and manufacture respectively.

You seem to have a problem with that and are selectively presenting information to deliberately obfuscate the whole truth. You behave like a propagandist.

Tw, you sound un-American. Tw, are you a jihadist sympathizer?

Tw, this is why developmentally impaired people such as yourself have to put some extra effort into thinking about what they say before they say it; so, they don't disgrace themselves.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

We'd like to be reasonably sure that people like him don't get into the US by posing as refugees in Syria. A fake family and credentials are easy to assemble and manufacture respectively.

Hundreds of felons are killing Americans in greater numbers every week. But wacko extremists fear the rare terrorist. Even when immigrants are already sufficiently vetted.

Not good enough for extremists brainwashed by rhetoric. We must ban them all. Resulting emotion and hate says Mexicans, Syrians, and Belgium are trying to kill us all. Why did he not also include evil Canadians? His handlers have not yet told him to hate Canadians.

Easier is to brainwash a poorly educated extremist into hating Syrians. America needs immigrants. Immigrants tend to become educated and productive American - therefore become moderates. Extremists hate that.

Simply grab his pee-pee (metaphorically). Then an extremist unleashes a torrent of insults. Another successful experiment. It would be comical if it was not so sad.

An adult who is still a child is that easily identified. Unfortunately these same poorly educated people are also easily brainwash to promote hate - of mythical threats and not existing serious ones.

An adult who is still a child even fears to look under his bed. He might find a terrorist hiding there. Of course that bogey monster will be a Syrian.

[sexobon]

Apples and oranges tw. Run of the mill felons don't paralyze major cities; or, entire countries. Terrorists do. That's why they're called terrorist and not just criminals. You lack a basic understanding of the dynamics in play relative to their importance. Being unable to comprehend and assimilate these dynamics, your developmental disability has you dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as being extremist when in fact it has simply made you the extremist, a leftist extremist, with whom we moderates don't identify.

Leftist extremists like you don't care that accepting refugees is defined by law as an act of compassion and we have absolute authority over who we show compassion for. Extremists like you expound on how we must accept others just because they want it and when that doesn't work you tell us that we need them. You're just like George Dubya telling us the Iraqis want us to invade their country and when that doesn't work telling us that they need us to save them. You use extremist rhetoric.

Developmentally impaired leftist extremists like you lump refugees and all other categories of immigrants together in an attempt to push a One Size Fits All Immigration Policy. That's what terrorists dream about. They are after all, you know, whacko like you.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Run of the mill felons don't paralyze major cities; or, entire countries. Terrorists do. That's why they're called terrorist and not just criminals. .

Moderates are not threatened by terrorists. An extremist here is so emotional as to fear Syrians ... and Mexicans, and Belgiums, and all Muslims. No wonder extremists knew Saddam had WMDs. Moderates don't promote hate of immigrants. An extremist so fears terrorists as to even not look under his bed. We might learn that his dust balls have Syrian passports.

Any dollar spent by Feds or states means massive increases in this nation's wealth and productivity. These immigrants are needed in all cities and states. Those who need to be told what to believe are fed rhetoric from extremist presidential candidates and 31 anti-American governors. Those politicians target emotional extremists. They know where brainwashing best works.

Terrorists target the amygdala of emotional extremists. Moderates use a pre-frontal cortex to know felons are a greater threat. Moderates know a greater threat exists in movie theaters - not in immigration lines. Rhetoric does not tell moderates what to fear. Syrian bogey men are not hiding under anyone's bed.

How many Muslim dust balls are hiding under sexobon's bed? Adult Americans welcome the tired, poor, and huddled Syrian masses yearning to breathe free. Only wacko extremists fear Syrians. Moderates know what is written on the Statue of Liberty.

[sexobon]

Griff,

Everyone knows that it's not about security; but, about partisan politics. This is just another venue for that.

Even where partisan politics isn't a factor, the US immigration program is federally administered; but, largely funded at the State level and that becomes a concern because individual resettlement locations are really better off having thousands of refugees, rather than hundreds, to help the community thrive and prevent disaffection of the next generation. We have to provide their financial support until they get on their feet.

There is a legitimate concern that as the US ramps up the number of Syrian refugees it accepts to the tens of thousands that the security screening won't keep up and it needs to be kept up. The procedures are manpower intensive and past performance isn't necessarily a reliable indicator of future performance.

IF we do it right, security concerns are negligible. The major obstacle is that after 9/11, people don't trust the politicians to do it right.

[sexobon]

Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics live in them. Developmentally impaired people like tw try to sell them believing that if he can sell one, they must be real. Whacko leftist extremists like tw don't recognize how people are, only how he thinks they should be and of course they should all be like him. Whacko leftist extremists like tw promote reckless abandon in their endeavors while we moderates use a common sense approach balancing the needs of all the people rather than trying to mold them all into our own image. We moderates recognize that good people can have bad ideas while whacko leftist extremists like tw labels anyone who doesn't agree with him un-American: patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Originally Posted by tw

Adult Americans welcome the tired, poor, and huddled Syrian masses yearning to breath free. ... Moderates know what is written on the Statue of Liberty.

Moderates know the poem was written for an art auction to raise money for construction of the Statue's pedestal. It played no role in the opening of the Statue in 1886. Putting a transcript inside the Statue was the idea of the artist's promoter to make the artist famous.

Moderates reference the poem in context of balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the few and moderates reference the poen as it actually reads, not as they think it should read for their own agenda at the moment Developmentally impaired whacko leftist extremist tw bastardizes the poem using propagandist technique in an attempt to obfuscate not being grounded reality.

Moderates win, developmentally impaired whacko leftist extremist tw loses and that's the name of that tune.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

developmentally impaired whacko leftist extremist tw loses and that's the name of that tune.

Speaking of an adult who is still a child. Personal attacks are justified when one is Ted Cruz, Joseph McCarthy, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter. Hate justifies any oondescending action. Overaged children who are bullies will replicate actions of their heroes.

How ironic that a child is so similar to ISIS. Both have an enemies list. Can just anyone get on it?

[DanaC]

Interesting piece by Frankie Boyle in the Guardian:

There were a lot of tributes after the horror in Paris. It has to be said that Trafalgar Square is an odd choice of venue to show solidarity with France; presumably Waterloo was too busy. One of the most appropriate tributes was Adele dedicating Hometown Glory to Paris, just as the raids on St-Denis started. A song about south London where, 10 years ago, armed police decided to hysterically blow the face off a man just because he was a bit beige.

In times of crisis, we are made to feel we should scrutinise our government’s actions less closely, when surely that’s when we should pay closest attention. There’s a feeling that after an atrocity history and context become less relevant, when surely these are actually the worst times for a society to go on psychopathic autopilot. Our attitudes are fostered by a society built on ideas of dominance, where the solution to crises are force and action, rather than reflection and compromise.

If that sounds unbearably drippy, just humour me for a second and imagine a country where the response to Paris involved an urgent debate about how to make public spaces safer and marginalised groups less vulnerable to radicalisation. Do you honestly feel safer with a debate centred around when we can turn some desert town 3,000 miles away into a sheet of glass? Of course, it’s not as if the west hasn’t learned any lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan. This time round, no one’s said out loud that we’re going to win.

Read the rest here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...thic-autopilot

[xoxoxoBruce]

Our attitudes are fostered by a society built on ideas of dominance, where the solution to crises are force and action, rather than reflection and compromise.

Reflection and compromise? Who is he suggesting compromise with whom? Waxing poetic about Muslims doing great things a thousand years ago has no bearing on anything current. He really thinks the prime target of ISIS is the west, when in reality we're down the list.
The prime target is all Muslims, world wide, who do not submit to the ISIS Caliphate and follow their 7th century code. Next on the list are the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Muslim countries who have tried to modernize, committing offences like educating children, especially girls, in anything other than the Koran. Next is all western companies doing business in the Caliphate, which would by then include the entire Middle East, most of Africa, and Indonesia.

Then because of the requirements under 7th century rules, for the Caliph to remain in his position he must remain at war and expand the Caliphate continuously until it covers the entire Earth, comes the west. These terror attacks, and the subsequent reprisals, are just a recruitment tool.

[sexobon]

We moderates don't make enemies tw. We just deal in facts that go to the credibility of a source. You presenting as a developmentally impaired whacko leftist extremist means you have very little credibility and that makes you more like a pet ... one that hasn't been paper trained yet. Had you wanted to be a hero whose actions others would replicate, you shouldn't have become a propagandist.

Fact: Moderates prevail over developmentally impaired whacko leftist extremist tw.

[DanaC]

Meanwhile:

In the wake of the Paris attacks, politicians in the United States and Europe are claiming that the movement of refugees and migrants across Europe's borders made it possible for Islamic State (ISIS) militants to infiltrate the continent.

In response, Europe is tightening its borders, and the refugee crisis has become an unlikely subject in next year's U.S. election. So far, Donald Trump has questioned whether Syrian refugees seeking asylum in America were part of a "Trojan Horse" plot and Gov. Chris Christie has suggested that even 5-year-old Syrian orphans should be kept out of the U.S. There have also been calls to discriminate among refugees according to religion.

But while investigators are still unravelling the plot, one fact is clear at this point: Not one Paris attacker has been officially identified as a refugee.

http://mashable.com/2015/11/23/paris...-not-refugees/


All this talk of refugees as a dangerous thing- as potentially a route for terrorists to enter the country is pure fear-mongering. It is precisely what the Islamic State nutcases want. They do not want the west to harbour refugees. They don ot want the west to trust the muslims in their countries. They want social dischord between muslims and their non-muslim countrymen or host - because that is a recruiting tool for them.

We, and I count my own fucked up little country in this, are willingly becoming what they want us to become. Syrian refugees - some of the most vulnerable people in the world right now - are being painted as potential monsters, or a wave of human effluence just threatening to wasj over us. They're described in terms of rabid dogs, and politicians seemingly feel comfortable contemplating a fucking religious test to weed out the muslims and only take the christians. Because 8 men and women, seemingly raised in Europe, attacked Paris, the hundreds of thousands of fleeing Syrians are now seen as terrorists.

Jesus fucking christ are we here again so soon? Trump's suggestions about databases and ID cards for muslims could have come straight from Mein Kampf.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

All this talk of refugees as a dangerous thing- as potentially a route for terrorists to enter the country is pure fear-mongering. It is precisely what the Islamic State nutcases want. .

And then people who think (without being emotional) include facts. All those Paris terrorist except one had passports from NATO countries. That means they could even come to the US without a visa. Greatest threat is only from immigrants when wacko extremists preach to the emotional and naive. Far more dangerous are real threats such as citizens in theaters, automobiles, and lightning.

Is Thor an immigrant? Must be. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz said so.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Jesus fucking christ are we here again so soon? Trump's suggestions about databases and ID cards for muslims could have come straight from Mein Kampf.

Exactly what ISIS wants. Who is going to answer the call to join them, someone who's free and content, or someone harassed and suppressed where they live? In fairness to Trump, I can agree those refugees are just as dangerous as Mexicans.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by DanaC

... politicians seemingly feel comfortable contemplating a fucking religious test to weed out the muslims and only take the christians. Because 8 men and women, seemingly raised in Europe, attacked Paris, the hundreds of thousands of fleeing Syrians are now seen as terrorists. ...

FYI @ Dani,

Religious test is already an integral part of the US immigration screening process.

The reason you gave for politicians wanting to weed out Muslims is not the only one out there.

I'm posting a link to an article with another rationale. This does not constitute my endorsement of it. It's just to broaden your knowledge:

Refugee ‘Religious Test’ Is ‘Shameful’ and ‘Not American’ … Except that Federal Law Requires It

[Lamplighter]

Be careful Dani, Sexobon is blowing smoke up your skirt.

The author of this article in Sexton’s link is the same attorney who, under GW Bush,
“defended the practice of waterboarding as not necessarily being torture,
and as necessary in some situations to prosecute the War on Terror”
... and then [coyly] admitted that "waterboarding is close enough to torture
that reasonable minds can differ on whether it is torture".

These guys are trying to overwhelm us into believing there is a legal basis
to exclude refugees on the basis of the their religion.
But I haven’t found it because there are only the following four places
in the citation where the word “religion” is used.

Before asylum is granted:
One section defines religious persecution as one of the several
legal reasons that a refugee can be granted asylum.
One section defines the refugee as having the burden of proof
to show that IF ASYLUM IS NOT GRANTED, the refugee would be harmed,
and defines religious persecution as one of the valid reasons.
One section defines reasons for NOT granting asylum is that
if the refugee had participated in religious persecution of some else.

After asylum has been granted:
One section defines several ways that asylum can be terminated
… one is when the refugee agrees to the termination
and will not be persecuted in the next country of choice.

Maybe Sexobon can cite where the law allows the person's religion,
itself, to be the reason for denying asylum.

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