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Old 09-16-2009, 11:29 AM   #1
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Why am I not surprised.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:30 PM   #2
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heh, probably how some feel about self proclaimed pedophiles. contempt makes the world go round, i guess.
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:31 PM   #3
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heh, probably how some feel about self proclaimed pedophiles. contempt makes the world go round, i guess.
I'm despising an ideology, you a person. I think that's the difference.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:58 AM   #4
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I should add that Aristotelian arguments stemming from the social forms of the telos of the polis are machinist, in that they honour the human superorganism, the city-state. This organism does not have human qualities, or human values, and it's own values are not relevant to what is good for human beings.

Not only are they not relevant, they are inimical. The city-state is to the human subject what a Silon is to Starbuck.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:16 AM   #5
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And I should also add that my attitude to religion is not personal. I have no sense that religion motivates the kind of prejudice of which I've been a victim.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:28 AM   #6
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Not only are they not relevant, they are inimical. The city-state is to the human subject what a Silon is to Starbuck.
Would that also hold true for the nation state?

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Why am I not surprised.
What are you unsurprised about?
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:52 AM   #7
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Would that also hold true for the nation state?
Yep. Same thing really. It's complicated. I'm patriotic in a way, but I put people before flags I suppose.
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Old 09-18-2009, 08:15 AM   #8
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What are you unsurprised about?
Nuttin' jus sayin'
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:39 AM   #9
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"Is one human life worth more than another?"
Yes, in a subjective sense.


My life is, to me, worth more than the presidential porch monkey's.

My 3 year old nephew's life is, to me, worth more than my own.


Objectively: all of them, including mine, are 'worth' spit...
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:17 PM   #10
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Yes, in a subjective sense.


My life is, to me, worth more than the presidential porch monkey's.

My 3 year old nephew's life is, to me, worth more than my own.


Objectively: all of them, including mine, are 'worth' spit...
Oh, Henry! So glad to see you!

And you may not believe this, but I actually AGREE with what you just said.

/Tips hat
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Old 09-23-2009, 04:30 PM   #11
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Stir the musicians! I is returned! ;)
"Oh, Henry! So glad to see you!"

Queenie!

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"And you may not believe this, but I actually AGREE with what you just said."

Which part?

The 'subjective value of a life' part, or, 'the presidential porch monkey' part?

HA!
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:13 PM   #12
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"Oh, Henry! So glad to see you!"

Queenie!

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"And you may not believe this, but I actually AGREE with what you just said."

Which part?

The 'subjective value of a life' part, or, 'the presidential porch monkey' part?

HA!
Actually all three points: subjectivity, monkey business, and Spit.
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Old 09-24-2009, 02:01 PM   #13
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subjectivity, monkey business, and Spit
A very nice summation!
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Old 09-24-2009, 03:24 PM   #14
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I think this is one of the questions of life, and after a while of thought on the subject I cannot come up with a conclusion.

What do you think?

One primate is pretty much the same as another, so no.
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Old 09-24-2009, 03:33 PM   #15
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I think this is one of the questions of life, and after a while of thought on the subject I cannot come up with a conclusion.

What do you think?
The question deserves an objective answer and a personal answer. In objective terms, no. But since we are social creatures, the lives of those I know are more "important" and will certainly take precedence.
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