Stuff I don't know - Page 6

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2008, 01:45 PM

Awhile? 10pm late night.

Or are you speaking of God?

Cicero · 05-10-2008, 05:45 PM

I don't know why I expect people to be brighter than I expect of myself.

Do you guys know why I do that? That's annoying...

classicman · 05-10-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero

I don't know why I expect people to be brighter than I expect of myself.

Do you guys know why I do that? That's annoying...

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but that looks like a loaded question to me. I'll pass.

SteveDallas · 05-10-2008, 07:51 PM

I mean God. You know, God.

Trilby · 05-10-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero

I don't know why I expect people to be brighter than I expect of myself.

Do you guys know why I do that? That's annoying...

because you have an inflated sense of...someone?

skysidhe · 05-13-2008, 12:29 AM

I don't know why IE scripts asks me if I want to display the 'non secure' information over the internet.

I really don't know

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2008, 02:12 AM

Sure you do, you really want to, doncha? doncha?

SteveDallas · 05-13-2008, 08:45 AM

"Secure" means the information is sliced and diced in a way that it can't be reconstructed if somebody happens to intercept it between the web site and your computer.

Let's say somebody sets up a page for you to order their widgets from. And the make it secure. If their logo is sitting on a different, non-secure area, and they put that logo onto the page, the logo itself will not be encoded, even though the rest of the page still will be.

Clodfobble · 05-13-2008, 10:24 PM

What I want to know is why the hell Yahoo has suddenly (in just the last few days) started displaying nonsecure items on their basic mail login page. I don't want to click an extra dialog box every damn time I check my email.

jinx · 05-23-2008, 07:57 PM

How would I find out the average lease price paid per acre by gas companies looking for natural gas (in NE PA specifically), how much would be a fair price/% of any gas found, and how much impact these activities would have on the land/trees/water.

monster · 05-23-2008, 10:09 PM

Ask your local business bureau

xoxoxoBruce · 05-24-2008, 12:33 AM

http://www.pagaslease.com/gas_lease_...estions.php#Q1

BigV · 08-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Here's something else I don't know:

When the weatherman makes a prediction about the rain or the temperature, and it turns out to be wrong, we say the weatherman was wrong. He loses some credibility as a forecaster because of this failing.

When I make a bet on the baseball game, and I'm wrong, I have to pay up for my wrong guess. I lose.

When someone makes an estimate or a forecast and subsequently the facts turn out to be different, we say the forecast(er) was wrong.

Except in one case.

I frequently hear on the news that a company XYZ Widgets, Inc, has "missed forecasters' projections". The company is usually punished for this "failure". Why is this a special exemption from what seems to be the normal case where the *forecast* is revealed to be wrong. How is it that the facts are "wrong" in cases like this?

tia

lookout123 · 08-08-2008, 11:35 AM

the company isn't penalized, the shareholders are. The shareholders were holding stock set at a price felt it be appropriate for the earnings forecast. When the actual earnings beat the forecast then shareholders are usually rewarded by seeing their stock value rise to meet new valuations. When earnings fail to meet expectations then the stock price must fall to come in line with the real earnings, thus penalizing the shareholder.

At least that is the theory. Quite often you'll see share prices rise with bad news and fall with good news. The news reported by the journalists on tv and radio should be taken with a grain of salt as it is usually the news behind the news that really moves share values.

Oh, and BTW while you don't see any immediate penalty for the incorrect forecaster it is important to note that their jobs and income rely on their accuracy. If they are consistently wrong they'll be looking for a new job soon.

BigV · 08-08-2008, 11:50 AM

Pleasantly unsurprised to see you reply, l123. Thank you.

I recognized some of the pieces of the puzzle but not all, and I didn't know how they all fit together. But on the surface, this seemed inexplicably contradictory. I think it was the wording that snagged my attention: company misses expectations. Duh. Perhaps the expectations were inappropriate.

I'm glad you threw in the part about the hidden effects of wrong forecasts. Because the forecasters (in the news feeds I consume) are never identified, I can never distinguish one from the other. Your explanation makes (satisfying) sense.

05-10-2008, 01:45 PM	#76
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Awhile? 10pm late night. Or are you speaking of God? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-10-2008, 05:45 PM	#77
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	I don't know why I expect people to be brighter than I expect of myself. Do you guys know why I do that? That's annoying... __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

05-13-2008, 02:12 AM	#82
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Sure you do, you really want to, doncha? doncha? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-23-2008, 07:57 PM	#85
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	How would I find out the average lease price paid per acre by gas companies looking for natural gas (in NE PA specifically), how much would be a fair price/% of any gas found, and how much impact these activities would have on the land/trees/water. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

05-23-2008, 10:09 PM	#86
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Ask your local business bureau __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

05-10-2008, 07:51 PM	#79
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	I mean God. You know, God.

05-13-2008, 12:29 AM	#81
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I don't know why IE scripts asks me if I want to display the 'non secure' information over the internet. I really don't know

05-13-2008, 08:45 AM	#83
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	"Secure" means the information is sliced and diced in a way that it can't be reconstructed if somebody happens to intercept it between the web site and your computer. Let's say somebody sets up a page for you to order their widgets from. And the make it secure. If their logo is sitting on a different, non-secure area, and they put that logo onto the page, the logo itself will not be encoded, even though the rest of the page still will be.

05-13-2008, 10:24 PM	#84
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	What I want to know is why the hell Yahoo has suddenly (in just the last few days) started displaying nonsecure items on their basic mail login page. I don't want to click an extra dialog box every damn time I check my email.

05-24-2008, 12:33 AM	#87
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	http://www.pagaslease.com/gas_lease_...estions.php#Q1 __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-08-2008, 11:21 AM	#88
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Here's something else I don't know: When the weatherman makes a prediction about the rain or the temperature, and it turns out to be wrong, we say the weatherman was wrong. He loses some credibility as a forecaster because of this failing. When I make a bet on the baseball game, and I'm wrong, I have to pay up for my wrong guess. I lose. When someone makes an estimate or a forecast and subsequently the facts turn out to be different, we say the forecast(er) was wrong. Except in one case. I frequently hear on the news that a company XYZ Widgets, Inc, has "missed forecasters' projections". The company is usually punished for this "failure". Why is this a special exemption from what seems to be the normal case where the forecast is revealed to be wrong. How is it that the facts are "wrong" in cases like this? tia __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

08-08-2008, 11:35 AM	#89
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	the company isn't penalized, the shareholders are. The shareholders were holding stock set at a price felt it be appropriate for the earnings forecast. When the actual earnings beat the forecast then shareholders are usually rewarded by seeing their stock value rise to meet new valuations. When earnings fail to meet expectations then the stock price must fall to come in line with the real earnings, thus penalizing the shareholder. At least that is the theory. Quite often you'll see share prices rise with bad news and fall with good news. The news reported by the journalists on tv and radio should be taken with a grain of salt as it is usually the news behind the news that really moves share values. Oh, and BTW while you don't see any immediate penalty for the incorrect forecaster it is important to note that their jobs and income rely on their accuracy. If they are consistently wrong they'll be looking for a new job soon. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-08-2008, 11:50 AM	#90
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Pleasantly unsurprised to see you reply, l123. Thank you. I recognized some of the pieces of the puzzle but not all, and I didn't know how they all fit together. But on the surface, this seemed inexplicably contradictory. I think it was the wording that snagged my attention: company misses expectations. Duh. Perhaps the expectations were inappropriate. I'm glad you threw in the part about the hidden effects of wrong forecasts. Because the forecasters (in the news feeds I consume) are never identified, I can never distinguish one from the other. Your explanation makes (satisfying) sense. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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