Dirty tactics in the presidential race - Page 5

Huckamuck · 10-31-2004, 11:46 PM

The ignorance belong to those who vote for someone based on their party. "Well I have always voted Democrat, so I shall continue to do so." If people would actually pay attention to the issues, instead of making up their mind before they even begin camaigning...we might actually have a working democracy.

BTW...Vote Badnarik!

elSicomoro · 11-01-2004, 10:52 PM

I don't remember where this was, but some guy I saw on the news over the weekend went so far as to electrify his Bush-Cheney sign.

Damn straight...keep your fucking mitts off things that don't belong to you.

Trilby · 11-01-2004, 11:01 PM

All of the patients on my unit (psych) who wish to vote have the right to do so and will have help voting tomorrow from the social workers and a member of each party there to monitor that things are fair and no one is intimidated. If members of our society who wear tin foil hats and believe they are Jesus can vote, I'd have no qualms whatsoever with an autistic voter. Alzheimer's patients have the right to vote. This is, after all, the United States.

wolf · 11-02-2004, 12:03 AM

Being involuntarily committed to a mental health facility is not actually a judgment in terms of competency. You retain the right to do things like manage your own affairs, enter into contracts, marry, and vote.

I wasn't privy to this year's discussion of what to do in case a patient wants to vote, but in past years we have had staff from Activities and Outreach escort people to their home polls.

Along with other Cellar members I have met Rich's son. He is autisic, but in my experience of other clients with the same disability he is very capable, and able to understand things like the political process. He's a good kid. (What you folks here may or may not know is that as good as I am with the severely mentally ill, I'm not as smooth when dealing with the developmentally disabled. I usually end up getting sucker punched, as a matter of fact, because I'm not very good at reading the behavior cues). I've actually been very impressed in my interactions with the young Mr. Levy. He's much more socially able than I have come to expect, although there is no doubt of his disorder in even a brief interaction. I guess, Rich, what I'm really trying to say here is that you, your wife, and others in his life have done an excellent job in raising him and encouraging his independence.

wolf · 11-02-2004, 12:04 AM

Oh, the latest dirty trick ... Stormin' Norman is not endorsing Kerry, no matter what else you might have heard.

Happy Monkey · 11-02-2004, 06:29 AM

Indeed. The so-called "Schwarzkopf" call is a fake. He is not endorsing Kerry. General McPeak is, andd he's the one who made the call. Here's the original(wav).

According to the DNC:

Quote:

"This is a desperate, pathetic, 11th hour dirty trick by the Republicans. In an effort to gin up a last minute media controversy and smear the Democrats, the Republicans intentionally spliced a recorded call by Four Star General 'Tony' McPeak and tried to peddle it to the press. This type of dishonesty is a fitting end to George W. Bush's failed Presidency, a Presidency that unfortunately for the American people, was also defined by deceit and deception."

I don't blame Schwarzkopf, I suspect someone just gave him the spliced tape, and he was justifiably outraged.

Troubleshooter · 11-02-2004, 08:31 AM

I don't know about you, but I would not want that man mad at me.

warch · 11-02-2004, 03:04 PM

Dr. Jack is quite a piece of work! A real life Indiana Jones!

Troubleshooter · 11-02-2004, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch

Dr. Jack is quite a piece of work! A real life Indiana Jones!

I don't get it.

richlevy · 11-02-2004, 08:11 PM

Well we voted at 7:30 this morning. We waited in line about an hour in a polling place where I have never had to wait more than 10 minutes. Jeffrey was able to vote on his own, although the election people were ready to help him if he needed it. He even split his vote instead of voting the party ticket.

The only difference was a poll watcher at a table. She was writing down peoples names. Whiole she did not ask for ID, most people thought it was easier giving her drivers licenses to copy off of. She had a sheet of paper on the table authorizing her as an official poll watcher. There was no mention of her affiliation, if any.

One of the women who works with me, the one who has the anti-Kerry wall, took off to do volunteer work at the polls for the Republicans. Lord help whoever she decides to challenge.

BTW, I heard about people waiting in long lines (3-4 hours) in Ohio because polling places which had 5 machines in the last election only had 2 or 3 in this one. Was this deliberate? With all of the Federal money being thrown around after 2000, how could they have underestimated turnout in what everyone knew would be the largest election in US history? I'm glad a judge has ruled that if you are in line when the polls close, you get to vote. From a bipartisan fairness perspective, that just makes sense.

I did hear about someone slashing the tires of the vans Republicans were going to use in their get out the vote efforts. Does Radar have an alibi?

lookout123 · 11-02-2004, 08:31 PM

hey rich - good job on getting your son out to vote. oh and you too i guess.

10-31-2004, 11:46 PM	#1
Huckamuck Overlord of Artistic Justice Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cowtown, TX Posts: 8	The ignorance belong to those who vote for someone based on their party. "Well I have always voted Democrat, so I shall continue to do so." If people would actually pay attention to the issues, instead of making up their mind before they even begin camaigning...we might actually have a working democracy. BTW...Vote Badnarik! __________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill

11-01-2004, 11:01 PM	#3
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	All of the patients on my unit (psych) who wish to vote have the right to do so and will have help voting tomorrow from the social workers and a member of each party there to monitor that things are fair and no one is intimidated. If members of our society who wear tin foil hats and believe they are Jesus can vote, I'd have no qualms whatsoever with an autistic voter. Alzheimer's patients have the right to vote. This is, after all, the United States. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-02-2004, 12:03 AM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Being involuntarily committed to a mental health facility is not actually a judgment in terms of competency. You retain the right to do things like manage your own affairs, enter into contracts, marry, and vote. I wasn't privy to this year's discussion of what to do in case a patient wants to vote, but in past years we have had staff from Activities and Outreach escort people to their home polls. Along with other Cellar members I have met Rich's son. He is autisic, but in my experience of other clients with the same disability he is very capable, and able to understand things like the political process. He's a good kid. (What you folks here may or may not know is that as good as I am with the severely mentally ill, I'm not as smooth when dealing with the developmentally disabled. I usually end up getting sucker punched, as a matter of fact, because I'm not very good at reading the behavior cues). I've actually been very impressed in my interactions with the young Mr. Levy. He's much more socially able than I have come to expect, although there is no doubt of his disorder in even a brief interaction. I guess, Rich, what I'm really trying to say here is that you, your wife, and others in his life have done an excellent job in raising him and encouraging his independence. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-02-2004, 12:04 AM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Oh, the latest dirty trick ... Stormin' Norman is not endorsing Kerry, no matter what else you might have heard. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-02-2004, 08:31 AM	#7
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I don't know about you, but I would not want that man mad at me. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

11-01-2004, 10:52 PM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I don't remember where this was, but some guy I saw on the news over the weekend went so far as to electrify his Bush-Cheney sign. Damn straight...keep your fucking mitts off things that don't belong to you.

11-02-2004, 03:04 PM	#8
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Dr. Jack is quite a piece of work! A real life Indiana Jones!

11-02-2004, 08:11 PM	#10
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Well we voted at 7:30 this morning. We waited in line about an hour in a polling place where I have never had to wait more than 10 minutes. Jeffrey was able to vote on his own, although the election people were ready to help him if he needed it. He even split his vote instead of voting the party ticket. The only difference was a poll watcher at a table. She was writing down peoples names. Whiole she did not ask for ID, most people thought it was easier giving her drivers licenses to copy off of. She had a sheet of paper on the table authorizing her as an official poll watcher. There was no mention of her affiliation, if any. One of the women who works with me, the one who has the anti-Kerry wall, took off to do volunteer work at the polls for the Republicans. Lord help whoever she decides to challenge. BTW, I heard about people waiting in long lines (3-4 hours) in Ohio because polling places which had 5 machines in the last election only had 2 or 3 in this one. Was this deliberate? With all of the Federal money being thrown around after 2000, how could they have underestimated turnout in what everyone knew would be the largest election in US history? I'm glad a judge has ruled that if you are in line when the polls close, you get to vote. From a bipartisan fairness perspective, that just makes sense. I did hear about someone slashing the tires of the vans Republicans were going to use in their get out the vote efforts. Does Radar have an alibi? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

11-02-2004, 08:31 PM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	hey rich - good job on getting your son out to vote. oh and you too i guess. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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