"Scratching for Water on the Moon" - Page 5

insoluble · 12-10-2003, 12:34 PM

Yeah - more technology means that we are growing more distant from our violent acts daily. Gone are the days of bashing in a dude's skull with a rock, now we just push a button and turn the other way. I'll admit that that's a generalized abstraction, but I am tired and I don't really want to argue the point.

juju · 12-10-2003, 12:37 PM

What it was is that they discovered the "towns" and "living areas" that the workers lived in, right next to the pyramids. They even found places where they would mass-produce (cook) bread for the workers to eat. They even believe that there was a sort of competition between the workers. It would have been like a sport, who could do the most work.

I actually saw this on TV, on an Egypt special, a short while back. But I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.

OnyxCougar · 12-10-2003, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by juju
What it was is that they discovered the "towns" and "living areas" that the workers lived in, right next to the pyramids. They even found places where they would mass-produce (cook) bread for the workers to eat. They even believe that there was a sort of competition between the workers. It would have been like a sport, who could do the most work.

I actually saw this on TV, on an Egypt special, a short while back. But I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.

I don't understand...might be cuz I'm at work in red queue, but how does finding living areas and cooking areas equate to the workers not being slaves?

FileNotFound · 12-10-2003, 02:15 PM

Yes I'm sure people who pulled large slabs of rocks up hill all day did so out of their own free will...

If so, we may have become more violent but also much much smarter about what we choose to do.

Also, any thoughts on the proposed Mars mission? Quicky summary of my thoughts goes a lot like this:

Projected Mars mission = $60 billion.
War on Iraq = $86+ billion.

Beestie · 12-10-2003, 02:22 PM

Quzah wrote:

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The only reason the US is interested in it is because China has stated that they're going to put up a moon base. Period.

Good enough reason for me.

juju · 12-10-2003, 03:19 PM

I guess they found evidence in the towns for it. I'm just recanting everything I can remember (which isn't much). But I do remember that the slave thing is now a common myth.

I'll see if I can't find some actual sources.

wolf · 12-10-2003, 03:24 PM

Sheeeit. That will put a whole new spin on Passover, now, won't it?

Although, Christmas survived historical research showing that the census for which Joseph and Mary would have travelled to Nazareth took place in the spring months. Tradition often trumps truth.

juju · 12-10-2003, 03:49 PM

Ah. It turns out that a simple google search turns up all kinds of stuff staying they didn't use slaves.

Here's one link from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient...lders_02.shtml

xoxoxoBruce · 12-11-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by insoluble
Bruce -

Not a lot to worry about? How about the fact that everyone's comfort comes at the cost of the environment? It's the complacent attitude evident in your post that I was talking about. So yeah - keep on consuming and looking the other way.

See what I mean, we live relatively safe and secure lives. We have to LOOK for things to worry about like the environment. Sure it's a real and growing problem, but it doesn't break into your house in the middle of the night. If you ignore it, it's not going to come and get you, right here, right now.
So I have a choice of going out and help the environment, requiring I do some research on how and where or I can watch the WWF on the tube while scarfing beer and nachos. Actually I hate the WWF and their ilk and I'm not keen on beer and nachos but the point is people in this country are comfortable and complacent to the point of boredom.
This is a subjective judgement on my part but no more so than "hollow and miserable" on your part. What is "hollow"? Soulless? Hungry? Chocolate easter bunnies? And "miserable"? Love boat prempted? Liquor store closed? Jock itch?
OK, I'm being a smartass but I'm not that far off the truth of what the average American sees as his major concerns which is why he's looking for entertainment.

FileNotFound · 12-11-2003, 03:29 PM

No no no..

It's not the envirment we should be worried about but the ever growing national debt! We'll never pay it off!

Agh! The sky is falling!

Well actually it is.

I'm confused by your post. (It seems that I'm often confused by posts.)

What are you trying to say? That we live comfortable lives?

That we shouldn't go out 'looking' for problems?

That our lives are not 'hollow and miserable'?

That it's all relative?

All of the above?

I don't think we lead very secure lives.

Does anyone here have a job that is secure and enough money saved up to NOT worry about losing that job?
Thats not safe and secure.
I know I have a tough time sleeping when I end up thinking about what will happen if when March comes around I can't make my schedule so that I can work and go to college. Worse yet...what if I they won't let me work part time?

Oh sure it's a safer life than that in Russia.

But I don't think people watching TV at night while eating nachos is a sign of confort. I think it's escapism.

jinx · 12-11-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
See what I mean, we live relatively safe and secure lives. We have to LOOK for things to worry about like the environment. Sure it's a real and growing problem, but it doesn't break into your house in the middle of the night. If you ignore it, it's not going to come and get you, right here, right now.

Well, yeah, it is. But ignorance keeps us from understanding that it's coming to get us right now - and we blame our ills on luck. Cancer? Aw.... sucks for you buddy, tough luck.

Undertoad · 12-11-2003, 07:49 PM

The top killer is still heart disease, which is aggravated by worry.

The second killer is cancer.

Third is stroke, which is aggravated by worry.

Fourth is lung disease, which is aggravated by smoking and working in coal mines.

The environment is cleaner today than it was 20 years ago and cancer rates have not varied that much.

jinx · 12-11-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad

Third is stroke, which is aggravated by worry.

Mercola would argue.

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The environment is cleaner today than it was 20 years ago and cancer rates have not varied that much. [/b]

Environment is more than air quality. And "cancer" was a catch all.

Undertoad · 12-11-2003, 08:54 PM

That's just a guy with a website. Don't get taken every time.

jinx · 12-11-2003, 09:15 PM

Well he didn't write the IOM report or the journal article, lol, he's just talking about them.

12-10-2003, 02:15 PM	#64
FileNotFound Intouch with his inner sheep rider. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 603	Yes I'm sure people who pulled large slabs of rocks up hill all day did so out of their own free will... If so, we may have become more violent but also much much smarter about what we choose to do. Also, any thoughts on the proposed Mars mission? Quicky summary of my thoughts goes a lot like this: Projected Mars mission = $60 billion. War on Iraq = $86+ billion. __________________ This is a rat. \|This is a hamster.\| This is a chipmunk.\| This is a Sheep Rider.

12-10-2003, 03:24 PM	#67
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Sheeeit. That will put a whole new spin on Passover, now, won't it? Although, Christmas survived historical research showing that the census for which Joseph and Mary would have travelled to Nazareth took place in the spring months. Tradition often trumps truth. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-11-2003, 03:29 PM	#70
FileNotFound Intouch with his inner sheep rider. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 603	No no no.. It's not the envirment we should be worried about but the ever growing national debt! We'll never pay it off! Agh! The sky is falling! Well actually it is. I'm confused by your post. (It seems that I'm often confused by posts.) What are you trying to say? That we live comfortable lives? That we shouldn't go out 'looking' for problems? That our lives are not 'hollow and miserable'? That it's all relative? All of the above? I don't think we lead very secure lives. Does anyone here have a job that is secure and enough money saved up to NOT worry about losing that job? Thats not safe and secure. I know I have a tough time sleeping when I end up thinking about what will happen if when March comes around I can't make my schedule so that I can work and go to college. Worse yet...what if I they won't let me work part time? Oh sure it's a safer life than that in Russia. But I don't think people watching TV at night while eating nachos is a sign of confort. I think it's escapism. __________________ This is a rat. \|This is a hamster.\| This is a chipmunk.\| This is a Sheep Rider.

12-11-2003, 09:15 PM	#75
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Well he didn't write the IOM report or the journal article, lol, he's just talking about them. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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12-10-2003, 12:34 PM	#61
insoluble developmentally disabled rear end headwear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: syracuse, ny Posts: 207	Yeah - more technology means that we are growing more distant from our violent acts daily. Gone are the days of bashing in a dude's skull with a rock, now we just push a button and turn the other way. I'll admit that that's a generalized abstraction, but I am tired and I don't really want to argue the point.

12-10-2003, 12:37 PM	#62
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	What it was is that they discovered the "towns" and "living areas" that the workers lived in, right next to the pyramids. They even found places where they would mass-produce (cook) bread for the workers to eat. They even believe that there was a sort of competition between the workers. It would have been like a sport, who could do the most work. I actually saw this on TV, on an Egypt special, a short while back. But I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.

12-10-2003, 03:19 PM	#66
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I guess they found evidence in the towns for it. I'm just recanting everything I can remember (which isn't much). But I do remember that the slave thing is now a common myth. I'll see if I can't find some actual sources.

12-10-2003, 03:49 PM	#68
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Ah. It turns out that a simple google search turns up all kinds of stuff staying they didn't use slaves. Here's one link from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient...lders_02.shtml

12-11-2003, 07:49 PM	#72
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The top killer is still heart disease, which is aggravated by worry. The second killer is cancer. Third is stroke, which is aggravated by worry. Fourth is lung disease, which is aggravated by smoking and working in coal mines. The environment is cleaner today than it was 20 years ago and cancer rates have not varied that much.

12-11-2003, 08:54 PM	#74
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's just a guy with a website. Don't get taken every time.

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