The Philosophy of a True Conservative, Today

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I do wonder where my like-minded fellows are when you post such an abberration, such an over the top conglomeration of disrespectful bullshit, in response to my comment?

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

God, Infi, give us time to respond eh?

Most posters appear to be taking Adak to task one way or another.

[infinite monkey]

pblllttttt...

Aw come on...let me pout for a second, will you?

I woke up in the middle of the night and read that post and it's been running through my head ever since. (Between my dreams of losing my job and being stuck on some road that never ends...)

[infinite monkey]

Besides, I wanted to draw attention to my witty response. Those get lost amongst pages of wax.

[DanaC]

Ha! Fairy Nuff

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I do wonder where my like-minded fellows are when you post such an abberration, such an over the top conglomeration of disrespectful bullshit, in response to my comment?

For the record, I decided on a Coventry stance awhile back. Dude's a troll and obviously has more time than I have energy. Please don't let my silence make you think I somehow support his foolishness.

[infinite monkey]

Oh no, really i don't. I tried coventry because i agree with you vis a vis troll. But you know i can't help myself in that situation.

I didn't really think i was being universally ignored, i was mostly being an attention ho.

[Adak]

Why you want to trust YOURSELF, as much as possible, in any emergency.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#...d-molinaro.cnn

"We're going to die!"

Gov't and other emergency agencies are helpful, but in any emergency, they can easily - SO EASILY - be overwhelmed, and unable to help you.

Be Prepared, and try to be as self reliant as possible.

[DanaC]

I don't see anybody suggesting that people should take no precautions and rely solely on government agencies to keep them safe. But sometimes an individual's efforts are not enough, in which case I don;t think it's unreasonable to expect government agencies to do their jobs. As indeed it appears they have been doing.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I don't see anybody suggesting that people should take no precautions and rely solely on government agencies to keep them safe. But sometimes an individual's efforts are not enough, in which case I don;t think it's unreasonable to expect government agencies to do their jobs. As indeed it appears they have been doing.

Nobody is advising people to do nothing to be prepared for an emergency, but I can assure you, most people do NOT prepare for an emergency. ANY emergency.

Actually, the Mormons are pretty good about this. They have a church revelation that they should keep a year's supply of food, in case of emergency. As you might guess, they take it seriously, and slowly build up to it.

Talk to your neighbors and ask them "In case of an emergency where you lost power & cell phones, how would you hear the news?", "What is your plan to heat your home, if you lost all power in the Winter? etc.

They hem and haw, and have very few answers: "I'd heat my home (a 4 bedroom 2 story house), with candles."

"How many candles do you have?"

"Let's see - two!" (points to two skinny dining room table candles, good for about 4 hours)

"We expect people might be hurt, do you have any first aid supplies?"

"Sure" - shows you a band-aid box

And the more you dig, the more you know they're woefully prepared for even the slightest emergency.

There's a REAL difference between someone not advising people to not be prepared, and people FIRED up, and saying "Let's BE Prepared!!". World of difference.

(I'll now retire from my soapbox - I used to work in emergency preparedness and response. I do get onto my soapbox about it from time to time.)

[Adak]

The bureaucrats are alive and well, in NYC:

*They require 3 people in each car going over a bridge, so all the Smart Cars that only fit two people but get fantastic MPG, are not allowed into the island.

*One of the biggest problems in NYC is with the damaged electrical system, from all the seawater getting into everything.

Crews from all over the country, have arrived in NYC, to help out, along with some C-130's full of big electrical power equipment, to help rebuild the sub stations that blew up when they were shorted out.

BUT - any NON-UNION crew that shows up - or any UNION crew whose union is not affiliated with the AFL-CIO, is being sent home. They're not allowed to work in NYC - even in an emergency!

Of course, my absolutely favorite true story about Unions is the one where the firefighters QUIT fighting the structure fire, because it was now time for them to start their strike!

Followed closely by the firefighters refusing to put out the house fire on the Mayor's home, because he wouldn't give them a raise in recent negotiations with their union.

If you don't live in a "Right to Work" state, your freedom to choose a job, has been stolen. Followed of course, by the Union removing donations from your paycheck, for their political payoffs - whether you approve it or not.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Followed of course, by the Union removing donations from your paycheck, for their political payoffs - whether you approve it or not.

That's not true, by federal law those donations have to be designated in writing by you and separate from normal dues.
Coercion is another matter, however.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Adak

BUT - any NON-UNION crew that shows up - or any UNION crew whose union is not affiliated with the AFL-CIO, is being sent home. They're not allowed to work in NYC - even in an emergency!

Not true at all.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Ibby

Not true at all.

C'mon Ibby! Accept just ONE fact, for a change:

The IBEW is the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, btw. An AFL-CIO affiliated Union.

"Decatur Utilities sent a 6-man crew to the Northeast Wednesday, October 31, bound for Seaside Heights, N.J., to assist with power restoration. Communication with Seaside Heights was poor due to lack of cell phone service in the area. Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/11/..._river_default

You DO KNOW that you can't work in a state controlled by the unions, without joining the union.

Only in a "right to work" state, can a non-union tradesman work, legally. Most states back East, are NOT "right to work" states. You join the union, or you don't work in ANY trade job.

[Ibby]

which was followed, in the SAME PARAGRAPH, by:

To be clear, at no time were our crews 'turned away' from the utility in Seaside Heights.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Ibby

which was followed, in the SAME PARAGRAPH, by:

RIGHT! See there's the "<======== don't look here - look over here ======>", redirection.

They WEREN'T stopped from working in Seaside Heights, because they weren't Unionized. Seaside already had all the crews it needed!

They WERE stopped from working in Virginia, because they weren't Unionized. They would have been stopped anywhere in New Jersey, New York, or Virgina - because emergency or not, you can't work in those states in any trade, unless you are in the Union.

Period.