Rick Santorum: "mainline Protestants aren't real Christians"

[Ibby]

They're open questions. If you don't want to answer, fine. I think I have the right to defend why I think this is a legitimate public issue, in spite of the private nature of the history. I can't make you read or reply.

edit: I'm sorry, classic, that came off as harsh. I understand that you don't want to deal with the issue anymore, and it's totally legitimate for you to bow out of the conversation. I'm sorry to bring up rough shit. All i mean by that bit up there is, yeah, I quoted your, but that doesn't mean I'm expecting you to participate.

[Stormieweather]

The difference between a medically induced miscarriage and an abortion is the first actually causes the body to expel the fetus. The second removes the fetus without involving labor, etc.

Regardless of who had what, Santorum is the most extreme candidate out there, still running. A vote for him is a vote to run this country by fundamental religious tenets.

In my personal opinion, of course.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by richlevy

But...he wears a sweater vest. He must be safe.
It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis
Full text

And it may be closer than we think with this GOP candidate...

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Newt Gingrich's official web site
Bringing the Courts Back Under the Constitution
NEWT 2012 Position Paper Supporting Item No. 9
of the 21st Century Contract with America:

<snip>This NEWT 2012 campaign document serves as political notice to the public and to the
legislative and judicial branches that a Gingrich administration will reject the theory of judicial
supremacy and will reject passivity as a response to Supreme Court rulings that ignore executive
and legislative concerns and which seek to institute policy changes that more properly rest with
Congress.

A Gingrich administration will use any appropriate executive branch powers, by itself
and acting in coordination with the legislative branch, to check and balance any Supreme Court
decision it believes to be fundamentally unconstitutional and to rein in any federal judge(s)
whose rulings exhibit a disregard for the Constitution.
<snip>
In areas of law in which the executive branch believes that the judicial branch has made
decisions that exceeded its constitutional powers, the President can direct the Solicitor General to
join litigation challenging the existing jurisprudence believed to be unconstitutional.<snip>

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[Ibby]

But-but-but-the COURTS DECIDE what's constitutional!
I think this warrants a new thread, actually. Could you like, create a new thread with that? I would, or would quote yours to one, but I can't get your quote to copy over into my quote.

[Lamplighter]

Ask and ye shall receive ... a new thread in POLITICS is entitled Gingrich's plan for America

[Lamplighter]

This is the current theme of Santorum's underground campaign...

Santorum certainly is ...
Gingrich certainly is ...
Romney is a Mormon and most Christians don't ...
But Obama ... I can’t say categorically, ...

Under Islamic law, Mr. Graham volunteered,
“the Muslim world sees Barack Obama as a Muslim” because
his father and previous generations were Muslim.



Billy Graham once came out in support of Richard Nixon.
He learned his lesson from Watergate, and refused to comment in subsequent elections.
Franklin should have learned from his father.
.

[Sundae]

Wow.
Just wow.

Hang on, how many Christians being murdered in Muslim countries are there?
Obama, sorry - President Obama - isn't worried about them.
Neither was I. But now I am. Who are they?

[Spexxvet]

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Joe, Mary..... you know, the usual

[Sundae]

I didn't know about Marie Colvin's death when I posted that, obviously.

[classicman]

I just saw her report on AC360 last night too.
I've always enjoyed and admired her reporting.
That woman has STEEL balls. RIP.

[infinite monkey]

Yeah, seriously. She was awesome.

Back to Santorum, you can watch him on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer from last Sunday.

Make your own conclusions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...in;contentBody

[classicman]

I already knew what he was - a religious zealot. He has gotten worse as he has aged.

He is NOT an option.

[Ibby]

I can infer your answer on this, classic, from the last post, so this question is more for the real right wing like UG and Wolf and Merc:
Would you vote for Santorum or Obama given those two options?

eta: I recall wolf being really conservative at least, apologies dear if that's an unfair characterization.

[sexobon]

UG and Wolf and Merc, oh my!
UG and Wolf and Merc, oh my!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Not it's not a miscarriage if it lives for even a minute. It's considered a live birth.

Correct.

There is a lot of misunderstanding surrounding this discussion. Medicine is not as pure as it looks on the face. I suspect that even Santorum is miss-using the term which is confusing everyone else.

Induced labor of a viable infant where the baby is born and lives for one minute is a live birth. Induced labor of a non-viable infant is not a medically induced abortion, regardless of date of confinement or conception.

The term abortion is restricted to a viable fetus regardless of date of confinement or conception.