Anwar al-Awlaki & Samir Khan

[ZenGum]

I'm not a citizen either.

I don't think that alone should remove the requirement for due process.

If your prez thinks I'm a terrorist, there has to be some kind of trial, even in my absence, where an attorney or someone can argue my case on my behalf.

[classicman]

I think Bruce is saying that he "cashed the check" when he joined "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States"

[Lamplighter]

That's why the US has Courts...
Killing first and asking questions afterward has serious consequences.

[classicman]

They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by classicman

They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

Maybe I saw the article you're referring to here.
I had to read it several times to sort out the business about the "son".

But I came to the conclusion that part was just reporting the Sept events,
and the "son" was Anwar al-Awlaki and it was his death they were describing.

There was also a description of drone attacks on the building where the two men,
Awlaki and Khan had been for a meeting, and the the drone attack on two cars.

But I have to say I did have trouble understanding the wording in this article.

[classicman]

no no no...

SANAA, Yemen (AP) – The United States has raised the tempo in its war against al-Qaeda in Yemen, killing nine of the terror group's militants in the second, high-profile airstrike in as many weeks. The dead in the late Friday night strike included the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, the prominent American-Yemeni militant killed in a Sept. 30 strike.

Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list. The elder al-Awlaki and another propagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan, were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.

Pretty good article here

[Lamplighter]

OK, you got it right...

ETA: I read the article in your link.
It is much more explicit and clear.
Good choice...

Isn't that now 3 American citizens killed by US drone attacks.

Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included
Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki,
a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda
recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list.
The elder al-Awlaki and anotherpropagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan,
were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.

[classicman]

Yes, and the media would rather focus on Cain "the pain" instead of this.
interesting?

[TheMercenary]

Good rid-en's to all of them.

[glatt]

I had no problem with killing this guy, or the 21 year old son following in his footsteps.

But now I'm seeing that the 21 year old son was actually only 16 years old.

WTF? We're now killing American citizen children? Sure, odds are that this kid would grow up to be a terrorist since we killed his dad. Just ask Inigo Montoya about that.

But we killed the evil dad, and then two weeks later remotely killed the child and a bunch of others enjoying a BBQ. What was this kid's crime? Did he renounce his citizenship too? I have a hard time believing he had committed the same crimes as his father.

Edit: Alright. I see that Ibrahim al-Banna was also killed in that strike on the son, and he was considered by the Defense Ministry in Yemen to be one of the “most dangerous operatives” in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Maybe the boy was collateral damage.

[classicman]

From what I recall, the boy was collateral. He was not the intended target, but still.

[infinite monkey]

He stayed still so he got shot?

(joshin')

[classicman]

I thought there was another thread about this, but I couldn't find it...

The Obama administration believes that executive branch reviews of evidence against suspected al-Qaeda leaders before they are targeted for killing meet the constitution’s “due process” requirement and that American citizenship alone doesn’t protect individuals from being killed, Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech Monday.

“Due process and judicial process are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security,” Holder said. “The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.”

Broadly outlining the guidelines the Obama administration has used to conduct lethal drone stikes overseas, Holder said the U.S. government could legally target a senior operational al Qaeda leader who is actively engaged in planning to kill Americans if the individual (1) posed an imminent threat of violence; (2) could not feasibly be captured; and (3) if the operation was conducted in line with war principles.

Such a use of lethal force against that type of individual, Holder said, wouldn’t violate the executive order banning assassinations or criminal statues because such an act would be in “self defense.” In remarks delivered at Northwestern University Law School in Chicago, Holder also said that targeted killings are not “assassinations,” adding that the “use of that loaded term is misplaced” because assassinations are “unlawful killings” while targeted strikes are conducted lawfully.

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has so far refused to release a copy of a legal memorandum justifying the targeted killing of the U.S. born Anwar al-Awlaki, who allegedly inspired several attacks or attempted attacks on the U.S.

Is that really how it works? I never would have expected that to meet the definition of "due process"


Link

[Lamplighter]

Others express dissatisfaction with Obama on economics, etc.,
but this is the place I felt he made the worst mistake of his Presidency.

Once again, it's Alito's "Universal President"
If the President says it's lawful, it's lawful.

I say it's awful !

[Griff]

Agreed. Of course, Newt would cut Alito out of the picture.