Guns don't kill people ....

[Aliantha]

You know, the other thing I think about with this issue is that more teenagers are killed or seriously and sometimes permanently injured in hand to hand combat than with guns.

Kids are violent.

They learn it from us grown ups.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by lookout123

No, but it's fun watching knee jerkers blame guns for a murderer's actions.

Hey...

Can you please identify the responsible party or object in this case, in your opinion, of course.

BREMERTON, Wash. - Bremerton police say the 8-year-old girl was accidentally shot Wednesday afternoon at Armin Jahr Elementary School in Bremerton, by another student.

Police say a student brought a gun to school and it fired while in his backpack. The bullet went through the bag and injuring third-grader Amina Bowman.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by classicman

<snip>Do we even know how the boy got the gun?

FWIW: here is your ever-reliable Fox News to answer your question...
Note: These are only "school-shootings"

Fox News
2/28/12

School shootings and where students got their guns

A list of some school-shootings and where authorities believe the students obtained guns:

Feb. 27, 2012: Seventeen-year-old T.J. Lane arrested following a multiple shooting
in a school in Chardon, Ohio, outside of Cleveland.
Three students died and two were wounded in the spree, which started in the school cafeteria
as he and other students waited for buses to other schools.
Authorities did not immediately say where they believe Lane got a .22-caliber handgun.

Feb. 22, 2012: A 9-year-old boy in Port Orchard, Wash., brought a .45-caliber handgun
to his elementary school where the weapon discharged from inside his backpack,
critically injuring 8-year-old Amina Kocer-Bowman.
Authorities believe he got the weapon during a visit with his mother.

April 19, 2011: A 6-year-old boy accidentally fired a gun inside Ross Elementary School
in Houston, Texas, injuring himself and two other children.
The boy and his mother were staying at the home of Wrolandrea Hensley, 30,
who had hidden the gun under a futon cushion.
The boy found the gun on the floor.
Hensley was charged with making a firearm accessible to a child.

March 25, 2011: Michael Phelps, 15, shot another student at
Martinsville West Middle School in Martinsville, Ind.
Phelps had stolen the 9mm handgun from a family friend's home.
<snip>

The article goes on with school shootings in 2006 and 2005.
.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, the other thing I think about with this issue is that more teenagers are killed or seriously and sometimes permanently injured playing rugby or footy than with guns.

Kids are violent.

They learn it from us grown ups.

FIFY.

Then we let them drive cars. It's a wonder we're not extinct.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by BigV

Can you please identify the responsible party in this case.

I'll start with whichever adult allowed a child access to a loaded weapon or a weapon and ammo.

Or were you assuming the gun went to the store, bought ammunition,
loaded itself, jumped into the student's backpack and then fired a round by itself?

[sexobon]

In addition to the charges brought against the boy, the boy's mother would seem to be culpable of reckless endangerment for not securing the firearm (there's nothing about the boy trespassing in the mother's home to get it). The firearm can be configured for safe carry in the backpack even under the conditions of the pack being slammed down; so, it was a matter of human negligence that the firearm was either left "cocked and with the safety off" by the mother; or, configured that way by the boy. That was neither a safe configuration for firearm storage nor any manner of carry. The safety should not be off until one is ready to pull the trigger. For backpack carry, there shouldn't have been a round in the chamber either.

The boy claimed he was going to run away. A similar situation could have developed if his mother had recklessly left her car keys in her car and the boy got in and drove away then hit someone because he didn't know how to properly control the vehicle.

[classicman]

People don't kill people, cars do!

[Big Sarge]

That's another sign of the times. We no longer teach kids safe & proper gun handling. Ya'll have seen pics of my 4 year old shooting. We've taught the kids they can look at or handle any weapon in our home as long as they ask first & we go thru the proper clearing procedures. This way the guns aren't a mystery or forbidden fruit. They learn they are a tool that has to be treated the same way as my chainsaw, circular saw, etc.

BTW, my 28 year old still comments on his first gun lesson. I took him out and shot a cantaloupe. I told him that is what would happen to his head if he messed with a loaded gun. Funny the things that stick in their minds

[BigV]

Originally Posted by classicman

I'll start with whichever adult allowed a child access to a loaded weapon or a weapon and ammo.

Or were you assuming the gun went to the store, bought ammunition,
loaded itself, jumped into the student's backpack and then fired a round by itself?

The boy is responsible. He's 9.

That's the law in Washington. The mom's not responsible, nobody else. He's being charged.

Who *should* be responsible, tha's a different conversation.

[classicman]

Oh, well its Washington ... you should have said that.
Ya know what they say about peeps in Washington, right

[BigV]

Don't mess with nine year olds.

[classicman]

OK, on a more serious note, you stated "in your opinion."

After reading the article I took this out...

the boy said
he got the gun from his mother's house, and brought it to school because he planned to run away.

"I just want everyone to know that
my kid made a mistake." the boy's father said.

If the bail is met,
the boy would be released to his uncle, who is his legal guardian
and who also sat by his side in the courthouse.

Huh??? Gotta be more to that part of this story.

ALets look into this some more ...

the boy got the gun from the glovebox of his mother's boyfriend's car.

The boy's mother and father relinquished custody of their son,
and his uncle is now his legal guardian.

At a court hearing Thursday, Kitsap County officials said
the boy's parents had extensive criminal records.

Court documents show [the mother] has been in and out of the court system//
//she was arrested for possession of meth
She also was convicted of marijuana delivery and forgery.

[the father] has been convicted multiple times for violating protection orders regarding [the mother]

[the father]said the gun belongs to Chaffin's boyfriend and wants police to investigate her.

[glatt]

In third grade, I was in Tuscon AZ for a year. A kid in my class brought a handgun to school for show and tell. I'm a little hazy on the details, but I'm pretty sure the teacher held onto it for the boy for the day but let him hold it and show it in front of the class for show and tell. She didn't let him pass it around. And I think she asked him if it was loaded, and he said it wasn't, but I never saw her check for herself. That part of the memory is pretty foggy.

He had found it in the desert on the edge of town and had gone shooting with it. He told the story of when he shot a prickly pear cactus, and when he went to look at the bullet hole, he saw that he had killed a lizard or some other small animal that was behind the cactus.

This was 1976. Different times.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

OK, on a more serious note, you stated "in your opinion."

After reading the article I took this out...



Huh??? Gotta be more to that part of this story.

ALets look into this some more ...

Guns don't kill people, parents kill people

[BigV]

I think (in my opinion, hmm?) the law in Washington is not what it should be. I don't think a nine year old should be held responsible in this case, though that is how our laws are written. I believe the owner of the gun should be responsible. I'm all for personal responsibility and shit, and I don't know what kind of squawking the 2nd amendment fundies have made but there oughta be a law, y'know?

Otherwise, why not just have some little kid be your triggerman, be the babysitting bank robber or whatever. Who is the fucking adult in charge here? It had better not be a nine year old, running away from home who takes a gun cause he's scared.