TSA authorities can fine you $10,000 for leaving the airport - Page 5

Undertoad · 11-18-2010, 10:12 AM

You can keister as much plastic explosive as the underwear bomber and get through this machine undetected.

You can also take off from any international airport, as both the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber did.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-18-2010, 03:05 PM

And so it goes...

Quote:

The degradations of passing through full-body scanners that provide naked pictures of you to Transportation Security Administration agents may not mean that the terrorists have won -- but they do mark victories for a few politically connected high-tech companies and their revolving-door lobbyists.

Many experts and critics suspect that the full-body "naked scanners" recently deployed at U.S. airports do little to make us more secure, and a lot to make us angry, embarrassed and late. For instance, the scanners can't see through skin, and so weapons or explosives can be hidden safely in body cavities.

But this is government we're talking about. A program or product doesn't need to be effective, it only needs to have a good lobby. And the naked-scanner lobby is small but well-connected.

link

classicman · 11-18-2010, 03:56 PM

...and the other shoe falls ... AGAIN.
Ya think we'd get tired of this shit and do something about it.

Sundae · 11-19-2010, 11:51 AM

If it's ineffective it will be dropped.
I'm not really fussed if someone gets to check my naked body. They'll see so many a day it'll be as exciting to them as it is to a doctor. Skin is skin - I wouldn't walk naked down the High Stree - and no-one would want me to - but I wouldn't feel violated by this any more than an X-Ray (suggested as two polar opposites).

I think it's sad that in the UK and the US (and probably eslewhere, I just don't know enough to comment) short-term knee-jerk reactions are all. Spend millions on detection, cut spending on prevention. But of course in both countries there's teh cry of, "Why should we help him? I didn't get that!"
Whichever progressive programme it refers to. People with a little bit more always resent those with less who get help. The response is always, "If I didn't work/ was a Muslim/ was black/ was an immigranthad too many kids/ didn't get married/ didn't have a car/ wasn't an addict [etc etc] I'd be much better off."

Put the money into proper schemes to integrate.
They might not work completely, but they are less invasive. And after all, this alienates far more people.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-19-2010, 01:08 PM

The terrorists that want to blow up planes, are a tiny minority of extremists. "Cut spending on prevention"? Not hardly, we're spending a fortune on prevention in Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

Cloud · 11-19-2010, 06:52 PM

airports are un-sexy

ZenGum · 11-20-2010, 12:21 AM

Shels, wrap your junk in Aluminium foil. Aluminum works too. :P

xoxoxoBruce · 11-20-2010, 02:55 AM

Probably the best defense is moans, sighs, and giggles, along with eye batting and lip licking.

Sundae · 11-20-2010, 07:42 AM

Given the furore about gays in the military, they're probably more scared of you than a boner fide terrorist, Shel.
(deliberate misspelling)

classicman · 11-20-2010, 12:07 PM

Looks to see if TSA is hiring in NJ ....

ZenGum · 11-20-2010, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Given the furore about gays in the military, they're probably more scared of you than a boner fide terrorist, Shel.
(deliberate misspelling)

Cloud · 11-21-2010, 04:41 PM

I'm bugged by this guy's righteous "modesty" and snitfit. Who cares? the next time I fly, I'll have to go through one of these scanner thingies (they just put them in our airport). I know for certain I'll be up for either a pat down or a visual check because of my piercings.

Know. For Sure. So--I'll plan for this and make extra time for it. A hassle? Surely. Kind of unpleasant and humiliating? Yeah. Invasion of Privacy? Uh . . . maybe. I can't bring myself to care.

Travel is a hassle--this is not new. Plan for it. Cooperate. Just get me on the damn plane.

Undertoad · 11-21-2010, 05:27 PM

You may be forced to remove your piercings. Don't worry, they will give you pliers.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Cloud · 11-21-2010, 06:27 PM

yes, but that incident is old, and the TSA has changed their policy in response, to my knowledge.

I probably would make a stink if they tried to make me remove them. Pliers or no, there are some that I do not have the hand strength and/or leverage to remove myself.

classicman · 11-22-2010, 10:42 AM

LATEST TSA SLOGANS ...

Can't see London, can't see France, not till we see your underpants

If we did our job any better we'd have to buy you dinner

Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy

Wanna fly? Drop your fly

We are now free to move about your pants

It's not a grope, It's a freedom pat

When in doubt, we make you whip it out

You were a virgin?

We handle more packages than UPS....

11-18-2010, 03:56 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	...and the other shoe falls ... AGAIN. Ya think we'd get tired of this shit and do something about it. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-19-2010, 01:08 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The terrorists that want to blow up planes, are a tiny minority of extremists. "Cut spending on prevention"? Not hardly, we're spending a fortune on prevention in Afghanistan, and elsewhere. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-19-2010, 06:52 PM	#6
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	airports are un-sexy __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-20-2010, 12:21 AM	#7
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Shels, wrap your junk in Aluminium foil. Aluminum works too. :P __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-20-2010, 02:55 AM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Probably the best defense is moans, sighs, and giggles, along with eye batting and lip licking. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-18-2010, 10:12 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You can keister as much plastic explosive as the underwear bomber and get through this machine undetected. You can also take off from any international airport, as both the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber did.

11-19-2010, 11:51 AM	#4
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	If it's ineffective it will be dropped. I'm not really fussed if someone gets to check my naked body. They'll see so many a day it'll be as exciting to them as it is to a doctor. Skin is skin - I wouldn't walk naked down the High Stree - and no-one would want me to - but I wouldn't feel violated by this any more than an X-Ray (suggested as two polar opposites). I think it's sad that in the UK and the US (and probably eslewhere, I just don't know enough to comment) short-term knee-jerk reactions are all. Spend millions on detection, cut spending on prevention. But of course in both countries there's teh cry of, "Why should we help him? I didn't get that!" Whichever progressive programme it refers to. People with a little bit more always resent those with less who get help. The response is always, "If I didn't work/ was a Muslim/ was black/ was an immigranthad too many kids/ didn't get married/ didn't have a car/ wasn't an addict [etc etc] I'd be much better off." Put the money into proper schemes to integrate. They might not work completely, but they are less invasive. And after all, this alienates far more people.

11-20-2010, 07:42 AM	#9
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Given the furore about gays in the military, they're probably more scared of you than a boner fide terrorist, Shel. (deliberate misspelling)

11-20-2010, 12:07 PM	#10
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Looks to see if TSA is hiring in NJ .... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-21-2010, 04:41 PM	#12
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I'm bugged by this guy's righteous "modesty" and snitfit. Who cares? the next time I fly, I'll have to go through one of these scanner thingies (they just put them in our airport). I know for certain I'll be up for either a pat down or a visual check because of my piercings. Know. For Sure. So--I'll plan for this and make extra time for it. A hassle? Surely. Kind of unpleasant and humiliating? Yeah. Invasion of Privacy? Uh . . . maybe. I can't bring myself to care. Travel is a hassle--this is not new. Plan for it. Cooperate. Just get me on the damn plane. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-21-2010, 05:27 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You may be forced to remove your piercings. Don't worry, they will give you pliers. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

11-21-2010, 06:27 PM	#14
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	yes, but that incident is old, and the TSA has changed their policy in response, to my knowledge. I probably would make a stink if they tried to make me remove them. Pliers or no, there are some that I do not have the hand strength and/or leverage to remove myself. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-22-2010, 10:42 AM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	LATEST TSA SLOGANS ... Can't see London, can't see France, not till we see your underpants If we did our job any better we'd have to buy you dinner Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy Wanna fly? Drop your fly We are now free to move about your pants It's not a grope, It's a freedom pat When in doubt, we make you whip it out You were a virgin? We handle more packages than UPS.... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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