Transgender Second Grader - Page 5

Sheldonrs · 02-20-2008, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts

Hmmm....I think my kids need a man like Bruce around.

As an example of what NOT to be.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-20-2008, 11:22 AM

Bah, the kid may be queer, or just effeminate, or whatever, but third grade is too early to figure that out. Put on a pair of pants and get with the program.
He can make major lifestyle changes, on his own time, when it becomes important.

glatt · 02-20-2008, 11:39 AM

I'm not so sure that 3rd grade is too early to figure it out.

I'm no expert in transgender or bi or gay development, but I know what it's like to be attracted to someone.

I had the beginning stages of a crush on a girl in kindergarten, and it became a stronger crush as grade school progressed. I wasn't old enough to have the sexual feelings behind the crush, but I knew she was special and I liked her in a different way than I liked other girls. By third grade it was a strong enough crush to know I liked girls, and not boys.

My daughter in second grade had a crush on an older boy.

Flint · 02-20-2008, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure what the actual day-to-day impact of this would be. They're not teaching different curriculum to boys and girls, so, what's the difference which gender he wants to "identify" with?

I have a weird first name, many teachers asked me what I want to "go by" ...so calling people different things is already in place. No change there.

Schools already have a dress code, so shouldn't be any question there. Everybody wears the uniform. If you can get a doctor to diagnose you as needing to wear a different uniform for some medical reason, then that part would be a factor.

What else is there?

Flint · 02-20-2008, 11:42 AM

I don't think that gender identity is a sexual thing at all. In this context. He isn't "gay" ... "gay" males are still male, in gender identity.

freshnesschronic · 02-20-2008, 12:40 PM

Ehhhhh, I'm with Bruce. School isn't a democracy. It's one of the few places constitutional rights are vetoed by the educational process. The lil' dude can just wear tight girl jeans if he wants, punk high school kids do it all the time. As long as he isn't cross dressing in the 3rd grade. Bruce is right with all the special attention he will be reeling in.

monster · 02-20-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Ehhhhh, I'm with Bruce. School isn't a democracy. It's one of the few places constitutional rights are vetoed by the educational process. The lil' dude can just wear tight girl jeans if he wants, punk high school kids do it all the time. As long as he isn't cross dressing in the 3rd grade. Bruce is right with all the special attention he will be reeling in.

Your school may not be a democracy, but some are... and they work pretty well that way.

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"Information packet" is school speak for pamphlet with a cover note.

The point is, the school is not really going "out of it's way" to help this kid. The kid is not "making them jump through hoops". All you people who think it is s big deal are clearly too far removed from the everyday running of decent elementary schools to realize that this could almost go unnoticed if silly homophobic parents didn't create a hoo-haa about it.

lookout123 · 02-20-2008, 03:57 PM

homophobic? not at all. sick and fucking tired of every other person playing some sort of minority or victim card? yep.

seriously, i don't give a damn what the kid thinks he is or how open minded his parents are. it's real simple: if he has a penis, he's a boy and needs to put a pair of pants on and go to class. if he wants to sit when he pees, that's cool. he can do that in the boys' bathroom. if he wants to be called sheila and wear a dress at home, that's up to his parents. until such time as his parents take him and and pay to have to his pecker cut off, he's a boy. now it's time to stfu, sit down and learn some readin, ritin, and rithmatic. *tobacco spit*

BigV · 02-20-2008, 02:56 PM

A transgendered second grader. I'm... skeptical. Frankly this is too young to know with much certainty about it's gender identity (I'm using these terms loosely, in the vernacular, not as a professional). I will say with confidence that a youngster can want to be called any number of things as they're coming up. Including identities of the opposite sex, or of a made up character, etc. This easily can include dressing accordingly.

Even this weekend SonofV and I went through a bit of the "call me Weavel, until we get home, ok?" stuff. No costume changes though. All normal.

Yeesh. What a tempest in a teapot.

R2D3 · 02-20-2008, 03:32 PM

good think youre kid is normal bigv hoep that never changes you couldn't handle it.,

closed minded fux here.

lookout123 · 02-20-2008, 03:40 PM

ohhai douchebag! so glad to see you haven't been banned yet. with the way you make friends i can see you'll have a long and fruitful stay in the cellar.

R2D3 · 02-20-2008, 03:44 PM

lookin forward to it

lookout123 · 02-20-2008, 03:48 PM

yes, i'm sure you are. i'm thinking we should get WHIP to give us the over/under on how long you last.

let's see now... joined 10/07. 31 posts. number of positive contributions... still zero.

R2D3 · 02-20-2008, 03:49 PM

Im the best ever

tried a contribution but closet minds cant read it cause youall know it all

lookout123 · 02-20-2008, 03:52 PM

by "all" do you mean "how to string together properly spelled words to make a cohesive statement"?

02-20-2008, 11:22 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Bah, the kid may be queer, or just effeminate, or whatever, but third grade is too early to figure that out. Put on a pair of pants and get with the program. He can make major lifestyle changes, on his own time, when it becomes important. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-20-2008, 11:35 AM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm not sure what the actual day-to-day impact of this would be. They're not teaching different curriculum to boys and girls, so, what's the difference which gender he wants to "identify" with? I have a weird first name, many teachers asked me what I want to "go by" ...so calling people different things is already in place. No change there. Schools already have a dress code, so shouldn't be any question there. Everybody wears the uniform. If you can get a doctor to diagnose you as needing to wear a different uniform for some medical reason, then that part would be a factor. What else is there? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-20-2008, 11:42 AM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I don't think that gender identity is a sexual thing at all. In this context. He isn't "gay" ... "gay" males are still male, in gender identity. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-20-2008, 03:57 PM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	homophobic? not at all. sick and fucking tired of every other person playing some sort of minority or victim card? yep. seriously, i don't give a damn what the kid thinks he is or how open minded his parents are. it's real simple: if he has a penis, he's a boy and needs to put a pair of pants on and go to class. if he wants to sit when he pees, that's cool. he can do that in the boys' bathroom. if he wants to be called sheila and wear a dress at home, that's up to his parents. until such time as his parents take him and and pay to have to his pecker cut off, he's a boy. now it's time to stfu, sit down and learn some readin, ritin, and rithmatic. tobacco spit __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-20-2008, 02:56 PM	#9
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	A transgendered second grader. I'm... skeptical. Frankly this is too young to know with much certainty about it's gender identity (I'm using these terms loosely, in the vernacular, not as a professional). I will say with confidence that a youngster can want to be called any number of things as they're coming up. Including identities of the opposite sex, or of a made up character, etc. This easily can include dressing accordingly. Even this weekend SonofV and I went through a bit of the "call me Weavel, until we get home, ok?" stuff. No costume changes though. All normal. Yeesh. What a tempest in a teapot. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-20-2008, 11:39 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm not so sure that 3rd grade is too early to figure it out. I'm no expert in transgender or bi or gay development, but I know what it's like to be attracted to someone. I had the beginning stages of a crush on a girl in kindergarten, and it became a stronger crush as grade school progressed. I wasn't old enough to have the sexual feelings behind the crush, but I knew she was special and I liked her in a different way than I liked other girls. By third grade it was a strong enough crush to know I liked girls, and not boys. My daughter in second grade had a crush on an older boy.

02-20-2008, 12:40 PM	#6
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Ehhhhh, I'm with Bruce. School isn't a democracy. It's one of the few places constitutional rights are vetoed by the educational process. The lil' dude can just wear tight girl jeans if he wants, punk high school kids do it all the time. As long as he isn't cross dressing in the 3rd grade. Bruce is right with all the special attention he will be reeling in.

02-20-2008, 03:32 PM	#10
R2D3 buck fush Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: houston Posts: 36	good think youre kid is normal bigv hoep that never changes you couldn't handle it., closed minded fux here.

02-20-2008, 03:40 PM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	ohhai douchebag! so glad to see you haven't been banned yet. with the way you make friends i can see you'll have a long and fruitful stay in the cellar. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-20-2008, 03:44 PM	#12
R2D3 buck fush Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: houston Posts: 36	lookin forward to it

02-20-2008, 03:48 PM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	yes, i'm sure you are. i'm thinking we should get WHIP to give us the over/under on how long you last. let's see now... joined 10/07. 31 posts. number of positive contributions... still zero. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-20-2008, 03:49 PM	#14
R2D3 buck fush Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: houston Posts: 36	Im the best ever tried a contribution but closet minds cant read it cause youall know it all

02-20-2008, 03:52 PM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	by "all" do you mean "how to string together properly spelled words to make a cohesive statement"? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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