George "Macacawitz" Allen on Guns - Page 5

DanaC · 11-27-2006, 04:46 PM

That's an interesting analogy Clod.

Shawnee123 · 11-28-2006, 02:23 PM

Never mind, I know better than getting into these discussions!

Aliantha · 11-28-2006, 07:02 PM

It's easier to die with better tools.

JayMcGee · 11-28-2006, 07:25 PM

*yawns*

... still waiting for the 'armed society is a polite society' line......

MaggieL · 11-29-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

*yawns*

... still waiting for the 'armed society is a polite society' line......

Sorry, but the right answers are always the same and thus boring. If you want a constantly changing array of excuses you'll have to listen to the prohibitionist arguments.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Sorry, but the right answers are always the same and thus boring. If you want a constantly changing array of excuses you'll have to listen to the prohibitionist arguments.

The arguments are always the same and thus boring. That doesn't make them right. Only right in your perception, and that of your cronies.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-29-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

The arguments are always the same and thus boring. That doesn't make them right. Only right in your perception, and that of your cronies.

Aliantha, right is no respecter of opinion.

And the dubiously opinionated are no respecters of right.

Bloodthirstiness becomes no one, but even minimal self-respect would allow self defense, and not prohibit this or that tool to get it, particularly with any reference to the level of violence exerted in aid of a wrongful aggression. That leads to nothing but oppression by the savage, who are exactly the sort you particularly don't want to be oppressed by.

The psychological problems of the "ragers against self defense" have been fairly thoroughly explored, and the picture that emerges isn't pretty, as you can read in other gun threads.

Ibby · 11-28-2006, 09:44 PM

There was an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the first 22 months of the war, and 2,112 deaths during that time. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington, D.C., is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. You are about 25 percent more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. capital, which has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately.

Happy Monkey · 11-29-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

There was an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the first 22 months of the war, and 2,112 deaths during that time. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

Bad math there. That gives a death rate of 720 per 100000 per year. Firearm death rate will be less, as a lot of it is done by bombs, but that wasn't provided in your numbers.

Ibby · 11-29-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Bad math there. That gives a death rate of 720 per 100000 per year. Firearm death rate will be less, as a lot of it is done by bombs, but that wasn't provided in your numbers.

Hey, don't look at me, I just c/ped it...

xoxoxoBruce · 11-30-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Hey, don't look at me, I just c/ped it...

From Rep. Steve King (R-IA) and he was using old numbers and bad math, even though DC is bad.

Aliantha · 11-28-2006, 10:16 PM

lmao

Very good work Ibram

DanaC · 11-29-2006, 07:14 AM

LoL. excellent.

I heard a really scary statistic. For young black men living in the scarier area of L.A, life expectancy is shorter than if they were on deathrow.

DanaC · 11-29-2006, 04:45 PM

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As far as the Chris Rock bit... I load my own rounds.

Now I'm confused.

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My side-arm saved my life several times. You should speak of things you know about.

I did speak of things things I know about ie. History. I did however ask some questions about things I don't know about. Have I, in this thread, condemned the use of firearms, or have I asked questions?

11-29-2006, 05:04 PM

Did I misquote you?
Those were statements, equating the need for firearms with the middle ages... a very incorrect statement, illustrated by my facts.
People in rural areas, as well as non-military or police security personnel, use them as tools every day. I have been one of these people more than once in my life.

We cannot unmake guns... it is a naive argument and a waste of time.
Americans are not going to give their guns away, to ask is to remove the government that does so... that too is a naive argument and a waste of time.

11-28-2006, 02:23 PM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Never mind, I know better than getting into these discussions! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-28-2006, 07:02 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's easier to die with better tools. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-28-2006, 07:25 PM	#4
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	yawns ... still waiting for the 'armed society is a polite society' line...... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-28-2006, 09:44 PM	#8
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	There was an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the first 22 months of the war, and 2,112 deaths during that time. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington, D.C., is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. You are about 25 percent more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. capital, which has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-28-2006, 10:16 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lmao Very good work Ibram __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-27-2006, 04:46 PM	#1
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	That's an interesting analogy Clod.

11-29-2006, 07:14 AM	#13
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	LoL. excellent. I heard a really scary statistic. For young black men living in the scarier area of L.A, life expectancy is shorter than if they were on deathrow.

11-29-2006, 05:04 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Did I misquote you? Those were statements, equating the need for firearms with the middle ages... a very incorrect statement, illustrated by my facts. People in rural areas, as well as non-military or police security personnel, use them as tools every day. I have been one of these people more than once in my life. We cannot unmake guns... it is a naive argument and a waste of time. Americans are not going to give their guns away, to ask is to remove the government that does so... that too is a naive argument and a waste of time.

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