Saddam to Swing

[Aliantha]

I never said it was anything more than my opinion. Obviously it's not a fact because the death penalty exists in some place.

[DanaC]

You will want to avoid the thread about the kid that got raped... lot of unrepentant blood-lust in there too. Sounds like the eighteenth century.

I remember about ten or fifteen years ago there was a very disturbing case over here, where two children aged (if i recall correctly) 10 and 12 or thereabouts, lured a two year old who had become seperated from his mum in a shopping centre away, and then killed him.

The boys were caught on cctv talking to the toddler and holding his hand as they led him away from the shopping centre.

One of the things that stayed in my mind, was a terrifying scene as the boys were put into a police van and taken from the court back to the secure unit they were being held in. A mob had formed and attacked the van. Adults hurling themselves, and bricks and bottles at the van, screaming in a frenzy of bloodlust. I kept thinking to myself: I know what they've done is hideous, but these are still two children. two clearly very disturbed young boys. In interviews they were tearful, one of them broke down several times and wanted his mum. But the mob of adults, some of them probably with children the same age. looked as if they would tear these two kids limb from limb if they'd been able to get hold of them. It still makes me shiver when i think about it.

[Aliantha]

James Bulger was the little boys name. It was shocking. I will never forget this case.

Originally Posted by DanaC

I remember about ten or fifteen years ago there was a very disturbing case over here, where two children aged (if i recall correctly) 10 and 12 or thereabouts, lured a two year old who had become seperated from his mum in a shopping centre away, and then killed him.

The boys were caught on cctv talking to the toddler and holding his hand as they led him away from the shopping centre.

One of the things that stayed in my mind, was a terrifying scene as the boys were put into a police van and taken from the court back to the secure unit they were being held in. A mob had formed and attacked the van. Adults hurling themselves, and bricks and bottles at the van, screaming in a frenzy of bloodlust. I kept thinking to myself: I know what they've done is hideous, but these are still two children. two clearly very disturbed young boys. In interviews they were tearful, one of them broke down several times and wanted his mum. But the mob of adults, some of them probably with children the same age. looked as if they would tear these two kids limb from limb if they'd been able to get hold of them. It still makes me shiver when i think about it.

My wife and I have a pact.
If either of us gets murdered, the other does not get a lawyer that will consider the death penalty. If the state insisted, we would not participate.
We have discussed this more than once & we both know we have the strength of our convictions; having both had family members murdered in the past.
I would not for my son either & believe the same for her.
I teach him values that I must live, or all I have said to him, all I have tried to be for him, is a lie.
His legacy would not just be more senseless murder and to have his parents become murderers as well, no.

[Flint]

There is no convenient time to follow one's convictions.
If good turns bad at some point, it has ceased to be good.
That point is where the strength of one's beliefs are determined.

Originally Posted by Flint

There is no convenient time to follow one's convictions.
If good turns bad at some point, it has ceased to be good.
That point is where the strength of one's beliefs are determined.

True.
Your actions are your ethics and morals.
What/who you say you are means nothing.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's true, but it doesn't make you right.

[Flint]

No, I'm not telling you that. I would be wrong if I told you that.

[Flint]

Urbane Guerrilla and BigV sound like Alex from Clockwork Orange, in a verbal altercation with himself. Keep up the good work, guys. Lovin' it.

[Aliantha]

Why does it have to have anything to do with what's in the bible? Why can't it just have something to do with what you know is right?

[DanaC]

Why does it have to have anything to do with what's in the bible? Why can't it just have something to do with what you know is right?

Excellent point Ali. Are we so bereft of ability to decipher what's right and what's wrong.....or even more importantly, what's useful and what's counterproductive, that we must needs take our morality from ancient manuscripts?

I am not a Christian and am staunchly against the death penalty (Yes, even when it has been cases where my family have been the victims. People always assume no one has the strength of their convictions.)
I was not raised Christian, so my morals do not stem from the bible either.

The reason people bring Christianity into it so often, IMO, is the inherent hypocrisy of being a Christian and pro-death penalty... especially a "pro-lifer", pro-death penalty "Christian". Just makes no sense at all, particularly when they tend to be the most vocal and bloodthirsty proponents.

"Thou shalt not murder", or "kill" if you want to go with the mistranslation. Then saying they want to murder someone strapped to a chair or bed... yeah, tell me another one. There is no way that that can be translated into self-defense, there is no compassion or forgiveness involved there... nothing of the teachings of Christ apparent, so people see the organizations for what they are.
Pretty simple. I like it.

[9th Engineer]

I support the death penalty because I believe that if a person commits an act so hienous, so irreconcilable with our values as cold blooded murder or murder of the helpless, then they forfet their right to get any older.

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

I support the death penalty because I believe that if a person commits an act so hienous, so irreconcilable with our values as cold blooded murder or murder of the helpless, then they forfet their right to get any older.

So, you only believe that you can do this when there is 100%, irrefutable, proof? Like, video, with DNA, right?

[DanaC]

person...not feotus