Homosexuality: Choice or Chance? - Page 5

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 10:27 AM

dude, it's 9:20 on saturday morning, and there are 3 of us - flint, spexxvet, and me -- reading the cellar. we should all go outside and play catch.

Spexxvet · 10-07-2006, 10:44 AM

Bri is here, too, I think. I'm at work and there's no doctor, so few patients.

Undertoad · 10-07-2006, 11:11 AM

Yo

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 11:57 AM

so you guys wanna play catch?

actually nvm i have to mow

Griff · 10-07-2006, 12:23 PM

*cough* I only pitch... you can catch if you want to.

Brett's Honey · 10-08-2006, 11:16 AM

The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

morethanpretty · 10-09-2006, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

They experiment because there is curiosity and most likely an attraction to other girls, after the experimenting they might discover that they aren't really that interested, or they might discover that they are. I've known many women who were with men before they discovered or aknowledged that they were gay. I think that some people do choose to be exclusively with one sex or the other when they are truley bi, I am bi but I choose to be with a man, only, I want a nuked family.
And then there are others who are only attracted to the same or opposite sex. You can't choose to be gay, you can choose whether or not you are going to act gay.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-10-2006, 12:06 AM

Lets go back to the times where gays were punished with well.....death. Who in there right mind would choose to be gay and live the rest of their lives as an exile.

I am also confident in a decade or so it will be proven that homoesexuality is genetic. I am sure some people do choose to be gay but the majority are decided through their genes.

MaggieL · 10-11-2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Lets go back to the times where gays were punished with well.....death.

You mean last week in Iran?

BigV · 10-10-2006, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

--snip--You can't choose to be gay, you can choose whether or not you are going to act gay.

Well put.

9th Engineer · 10-10-2006, 10:22 AM

I don't think we're going to have any great revelations past where we are now, only it will become public fact instead of accepted scientific theory. Predispositions are genetic, triggers are environmental, the combination of these two determines our desires and personality. We have control over how we express these in public and to a large degree how much they impact how we live our lives. Past that I don't think there's a hell of a lot more to add.

What we are likely to see emerge in the next decade or two is an more exact understanding of where these triggers exist and how they work. This can then spin into any number of possible senarios. Traditionalists will attend lectures on how to avoid having their children exposed to environmental triggers. Progressives will protest that controlling these experiences is unethical. I don't think the core debate will change much through all this however. The most extreme outcome I can see is the possibility of a pharmaceudical product that would act on a persons phermone receptors at puberty and give a very strong push in either direction desired. Since all this is really determined by environmental and internal chemical signals I can see this as completely within the realm of possibility, but I'm withholding all comments about the implications...

Aliantha · 10-08-2006, 06:34 PM

Sorry noodle, I wasn't picking on you. Just those couple of points made me giggle.

Aliantha · 10-08-2006, 06:47 PM

foot...I don't think there's a conscious decision in any of those choices is there? Well...except the not masturbating enough, but even then, the wet dream is the result of prior action not being taken rather than a conscious decision.

9th Engineer · 10-08-2006, 10:41 PM

Now we're getting into physiological processes here. It's like asking whether or not sweating is a concious decision because you choose to put yourself in a warm environment...

footfootfoot · 10-09-2006, 07:42 AM

See? that's why he's an engineer and I'm not.

He thinks of these things

10-07-2006, 10:27 AM	#1
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	dude, it's 9:20 on saturday morning, and there are 3 of us - flint, spexxvet, and me -- reading the cellar. we should all go outside and play catch. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-07-2006, 10:44 AM	#2
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Bri is here, too, I think. I'm at work and there's no doctor, so few patients. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

10-07-2006, 11:57 AM	#4
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	so you guys wanna play catch? actually nvm i have to mow __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-07-2006, 12:23 PM	#5
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	cough I only pitch... you can catch if you want to. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-10-2006, 10:22 AM	#11
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I don't think we're going to have any great revelations past where we are now, only it will become public fact instead of accepted scientific theory. Predispositions are genetic, triggers are environmental, the combination of these two determines our desires and personality. We have control over how we express these in public and to a large degree how much they impact how we live our lives. Past that I don't think there's a hell of a lot more to add. What we are likely to see emerge in the next decade or two is an more exact understanding of where these triggers exist and how they work. This can then spin into any number of possible senarios. Traditionalists will attend lectures on how to avoid having their children exposed to environmental triggers. Progressives will protest that controlling these experiences is unethical. I don't think the core debate will change much through all this however. The most extreme outcome I can see is the possibility of a pharmaceudical product that would act on a persons phermone receptors at puberty and give a very strong push in either direction desired. Since all this is really determined by environmental and internal chemical signals I can see this as completely within the realm of possibility, but I'm withholding all comments about the implications... __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

10-07-2006, 11:11 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yo

10-08-2006, 11:16 AM	#6
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

10-10-2006, 12:06 AM	#8
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Lets go back to the times where gays were punished with well.....death. Who in there right mind would choose to be gay and live the rest of their lives as an exile. I am also confident in a decade or so it will be proven that homoesexuality is genetic. I am sure some people do choose to be gay but the majority are decided through their genes.

10-08-2006, 06:34 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Sorry noodle, I wasn't picking on you. Just those couple of points made me giggle. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-08-2006, 06:47 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	foot...I don't think there's a conscious decision in any of those choices is there? Well...except the not masturbating enough, but even then, the wet dream is the result of prior action not being taken rather than a conscious decision. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-08-2006, 10:41 PM	#14
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Now we're getting into physiological processes here. It's like asking whether or not sweating is a concious decision because you choose to put yourself in a warm environment... __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

10-09-2006, 07:42 AM	#15
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	See? that's why he's an engineer and I'm not. He thinks of these things __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

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