Evolution’s Backers in Kansas Start Counterattack - Page 5

Flint · 08-10-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

Why can't kids be taught both sides, and pick their own?

Science should be taught in science class. You go to a science class to learn science. That's why they call it a science class. If you don't want to learn science, don't go to a science class. If you need a science class for your degree, then there is probably a reason that you need to learn science, and therefore you should probably learn about science while you are in that science class. What was the other "side" to this ???

9th Engineer · 08-10-2006, 09:21 PM

Bah, I say just cut the whole section out so everyone will stop bitching. It's probably the most useless chapter of the year anyway and not worth the trouble if you ask me. Since we can't even seem to teach 40% of our students to read at a highschool level we have more pressing issues to deal with. Besides, you need to know genetics (and far more than the Mendelian
type) to even begin to understand the principles. I'll admit I'm confused as to why schoolboards feel it's ok to cut atomic theory and (real) genetics out of the cirriculum because 'students just cant handle that level of material (dumbasses), but insist that they are benefiting from a frantic race through evolutionary theory.

Happy Monkey · 08-10-2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Besides, you need to know genetics (and far more than the Mendelian type) to even begin to understand the principles.

Not really. You need to know genetics to understand the mechanism or the details, but all you need to know to understand the principle is that children are similar, but not identical, to their parents.

Ibby · 08-08-2006, 11:58 AM

BA-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS
BS-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS

Now, ignoring the obvious 'BS' jokes... Bible and Worship is an art? Must be some new usage of the word I wasnt aware of.

Pangloss62 · 08-08-2006, 03:17 PM

I can understand a BA in Bible & Worship Arts, but a BS is an "Arts" course? That's just fucking stupid.

Elspode · 08-08-2006, 04:15 PM

The reason that only Bible stuff is taught in Bible colleges is because religion is a viable career...a viable *profitmaking* career. But...if you teach the preachers and music worship folks Business and Finance, people will look at them more cynically, so you hire those folks from the outside, and then use the college educated religion salespeople to draw in the marks...I mean parishoners, and separate them from their cash.

Yes, I am cynical about organized religion. Why do you ask?

barefoot serpent · 08-09-2006, 04:32 PM

no, it's his... um His method of thinning the herd.

Pie · 08-09-2006, 04:44 PM

...then he needs to be a little more selective in whom he culls.

barefoot serpent · 08-09-2006, 04:52 PM

yes, naturally

barefoot serpent · 08-10-2006, 09:12 AM

ahem...
<----- me too

barefoot serpent · 08-10-2006, 02:44 PM

I'm sorry, but I think that some of this is just simple intellectual laziness:
why should I learn anything about science?... it's much easier to believe that God created all of these mysterious things and that's all I need to care about.

08-10-2006, 02:48 PM

More like superstition than laziness.
It takes a lot of work to keep denying a truth that is staring you in the face.

Ibby · 08-10-2006, 04:06 PM

Thank you, glatt, thats exactly how I feel too.

Ibby · 08-10-2006, 06:50 PM

I have had teachers give me opinion in class before...

...But they've always said it was opinion and its never been about something we were actually studying, except in English class.

Flint · 08-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Why stop at science? If any part of any class on any subject offends any religious group - that's it! Strike one, you're out!

08-10-2006, 09:21 PM	#2
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Bah, I say just cut the whole section out so everyone will stop bitching. It's probably the most useless chapter of the year anyway and not worth the trouble if you ask me. Since we can't even seem to teach 40% of our students to read at a highschool level we have more pressing issues to deal with. Besides, you need to know genetics (and far more than the Mendelian type) to even begin to understand the principles. I'll admit I'm confused as to why schoolboards feel it's ok to cut atomic theory and (real) genetics out of the cirriculum because 'students just cant handle that level of material (dumbasses), but insist that they are benefiting from a frantic race through evolutionary theory. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-08-2006, 11:58 AM	#4
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	BA-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS BS-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS Now, ignoring the obvious 'BS' jokes... Bible and Worship is an art? Must be some new usage of the word I wasnt aware of. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-08-2006, 03:17 PM	#5
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	ARTS I can understand a BA in Bible & Worship Arts, but a BS is an "Arts" course? That's just fucking stupid. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

08-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#6
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The reason that only Bible stuff is taught in Bible colleges is because religion is a viable career...a viable profitmaking career. But...if you teach the preachers and music worship folks Business and Finance, people will look at them more cynically, so you hire those folks from the outside, and then use the college educated religion salespeople to draw in the marks...I mean parishoners, and separate them from their cash. Yes, I am cynical about organized religion. Why do you ask? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-09-2006, 04:32 PM	#7
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	no, it's his... um His method of thinning the herd. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-09-2006, 04:44 PM	#8
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	...then he needs to be a little more selective in whom he culls. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

08-09-2006, 04:52 PM	#9
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	yes, naturally __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-10-2006, 09:12 AM	#10
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	ahem... <----- me too __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-10-2006, 02:44 PM	#11
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	I'm sorry, but I think that some of this is just simple intellectual laziness: why should I learn anything about science?... it's much easier to believe that God created all of these mysterious things and that's all I need to care about. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-10-2006, 02:48 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	More like superstition than laziness. It takes a lot of work to keep denying a truth that is staring you in the face.

08-10-2006, 04:06 PM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Thank you, glatt, thats exactly how I feel too. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-10-2006, 06:50 PM	#14
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I have had teachers give me opinion in class before... ...But they've always said it was opinion and its never been about something we were actually studying, except in English class. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-10-2006, 11:00 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Why stop at science? If any part of any class on any subject offends any religious group - that's it! Strike one, you're out! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode