Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[Radar]

Excellent speech by President Obama tonight. I especially like the part where he said he will not back down from having a public option and that there WILL be health care reform and he will not allow us to go on with the status quo.

It was also very moving when he talked about Ted Kennedy.

I was disgusted by the scumbag who shouted "liar!" when President Obama told the truth about the proposed health care reform not covering undocumented immigrants. I was also disgusted at the lack of respect and poor behavior on the part of Republicans.

In each and every single presidential speech in front of a joint session of congress I've ever seen during my lifetime, when the president speaks, every member from both parties would applaud and stand up. Even during the stain on American history known as the Bush administration, Democrats had enough respect for the office of the Presidency that they applauded and stood up.

Not tonight though. The Republicans have changed all that with their divisive, disrespectful, and disgusting behavior.

[TheMercenary]

Illegal aliens should not be paid for by public funds. Period. Legal aliens who follow the process and do the right thing are welcome. All others are scumbag law breakers and should be kicked out on their ass.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Illegal aliens should not be paid for by public funds. Period. Legal aliens who follow the process and do the right thing are welcome. All others are scumbag law breakers and should be kicked out on their ass.

There are no illegal aliens in America. The federal government has absolutely no Constitutional authority whatsoever to create or enforce immigration laws unless someone amends the Constitution to give them such an enumerated power. All immigrants regardless of how they got here, or whether or not they came here with or without papers or whether they checked in with the government when they got here are here LEGALLY.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Illegal aliens should not be paid for by public funds. Period.

Right, and they won't be. No one has said that they should be. No one has proposed that they will be. That they might be is a lie. Period.

[TheMercenary]

Operative word, "might"...

[Clodfobble]

It's not an operative word if it's a lie. The whole point is there is no might, illegal aliens will not be covered by this plan. End of story.

[dar512]

In general, I liked what I heard from B. I want to look a little closer at the details, but it sounded good on the surface.

I was mostly underwhelmed by the Republican response. Most of it was not solid points but hand-waving. The only thing I did like was the initiative to allow businesses to get insurance across state lines. I think that ought to be put in.

[dar512]

"There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false – the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

That seems clearly stated to me. Not a lot of wiggle room there.

[jinx]

What will happen then, when an uninsured illegal immigrant shows up in the ER, under any proposed plan?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by jinx

What will happen then, when an uninsured illegal immigrant shows up in the ER, under any proposed plan?

Republicans and scumbags who use terms like "illegal alien" to describe undocumented immigrants who are here legally would prefer that they die in the street. How humanitarian of them.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by jinx

What will happen then, when an uninsured illegal immigrant shows up in the ER, under any proposed plan?

The same thing that happens now. As Obama said, the reform doesn't include them.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

" the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

Correct. The part they did not admit or tell you about is that they already get care. We care for them everyday. EveryfriggingDay! So don't try to tell me they do not get covered. We are ALREADY Paying for these illegal aliens. You pay for them through higher insurance premiums. Get a grip people.

[Clodfobble]

Right. What's being discussed won't affect that one way or the other, for good or bad. It also won't affect road maintenance funding, or the failing education system--just because something's a problem doesn't mean it has to be addressed at this time with this bill or else the bill must be worthless. One thing at a time.

[TheMercenary]

No, it does not effect the root problems in our system today. It places an bunch of bandaids over the issues. It pats everyone on the head with feel good programs fueled by political agendas. And it spend 1 trillion dollars on a system which will not fix the issues, that your great great grand children will be paying for. Good luck with that.

[Clodfobble]

Now, these are the facts. Nobody disputes them. We know we must reform this system. The question is how. Now, there are those on the left who believe that the only way to fix the system is through a single-payer system like Canada's, where we would -- where we would severely restrict the private insurance market and have the government provide coverage for everybody.

On the right, there are those who argue that we should end employer-based systems and leave individuals to buy health insurance on their own.

I have said -- I have to say that there are arguments to be made for both these approaches. But either one would represent a radical shift that would disrupt the health care most people currently have. Since health care represents one-sixth of our economy, I believe it makes more sense to build on what works and fix what doesn't, rather than try to build an entirely new system from scratch.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you didn't watch the speech. (Not saying you have to agree with what he said... but I'm still quite sure you didn't watch it or read a transcript.)

Please tell me what the "root problems" are, and how we should "fix the issues." I am genuinely curious, since I can't recall you ever getting specific about it.