Hey, everybody, I could use some input!

[lookout123]

alrighty then. Jim you're a carhack. so take that you old lady-screwin' over, scheisty glad handin' used car pusher.

Syc- how does it feel to be the only guy to be so uncool, that Missouri voted to throw you out? i mean damn! they are dumb enough to think America's Pub is cool, but smart enough to know you are a dumbshit - that's gotta hurt.

wow for a minute there i thought we were in the insult thread. sorry. can we all just step away from the keyboards, take a deep breath, some prozac and then carry on with a discussion?

i haven't been around here much lately, but i have read most of the threads and i have come to the conclusion that a good portion of cellarites need post election stress therapy. this place has been a bit wacky since a bit before the election but has been downright ludicrous at times since the election.


let's face it, this is the cellar. 70% of what we do here is argue, er, i mean exchange ideas passionately. we all have somebody in here we'd like to push in front of a train but, as UT says this isn't just a board it is supposed to be a community. we could probably live without calling eachother names, having our friends retaliate, and then drawing everyone into a big pissing match. if you don't like someone but don't feel like shredding their ideas then just ignore them - chances are that everyone else is ignoring the same person.

[wolf]

Ah, here we are, one happy dysfunctional family.



(I actually like lumberjim. He's entertaining)

[wolf]

And some of the abnormal hostilities too, I hope. Those are sometimes the better ones.

[lumberjim]

spode, i don;t think you're hearing me. her disability has nothing to do with it. i just am not forgiving her for annoying me because of it. i would be just as annoyed if she were perfectly healthy and constantly harped on some other point. do you suggest that I should treat her differently than i would anyone else? It's not like i pick on her because she had/has CO poisoning. I'm sure she was just as fucked up before it happened. renting from your mom with a roomate is not exactly indicitive of a highly productive contributor to society like she claims to have been. sorry if i offend your sensiblities, and sorry to have exposed you to negative reading material, but damn.

[Elspode]

Like I said, differing viewpoints, differing levels of tolerance - and different interpretations of content. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure it means the same thing to me as it does to you somehow. I read what Mari writes, and I clearly don't get the same things out of it that you do.

Viva individuality!

[elSicomoro]

Man, all this reminds me of this guy that used to be here...he was a lot like Jim. And this guy did something to another Dwellar not unlike what Jim is doing to Mari. And you know, it was right around this time last year...

[lumberjim]

and what does jumping into the middle of a "playground fight" while stating that you wouldn't want to post any personal information that the 'sharks' might try to feed on say about ones thought processes?
and would you pease illuminate my 'strings of obscenities in my every other reply' to me? i went back a bit, and could only find pussy, bitch, fucking, and fuck. but they were used in context and well dispersed among several posts. a string of obscenities is more like this:

" why don't you shut the fuck up and stay out of shit that doesn't concern your cum swallowing, asshole eating, father fisting self?" see?

[lumberjim]

all we need now is to hear from tw on my emotional state. gah

[tw]

Onyxcougar writes:
You know, I don't understand why everyone is getting pissy here.
Mari asked for advice on something, just like just about every regular on this board has at one time or another. There was absolutely no reason to get shitty with her about it, Jim. I understand if you don't like her, ... but I really don't see the need to attack her like that.

And so we return to April. LJ did same to her. Interesting is why. April's problems were irrelevant to him. His emotions remain more important. He attacked her unmercifully only because HE did not like what she posted. Its all about his emotions. Screw Mari who properly posted for a 'sounding board' response. LJ's response is first and foremost about HIS emotions.

Real men don't care whether they like a person. They don't care whether they dislike the post or its purpose. Real men could just ignore the post. Real men don't think emotionally as LJ has demonstrated. Like a character from Jerry Springer, LJ must attack Marichiko.

Lumberjim thrives by attacking those he does not like; when he senses a weakness. Lumberjim 'the man' would have ignored her. There is nothing offensive in her posts as others have properly noted. But Lumberjim 'the boy' must attack her anyway - like it was a playground - for reasons only a child could understand.

Dar512 also demonstrates how a man replies:

... that the qualifications listed are what they would like to get. If there a number of qualified candidates applying, you are unlikely to get the position.
On the other hand, if there aren't a number of qualified candidates applying you have a shot. ... I think it all comes down to whether there will be other candidates with more experience. Give it a shot. But don't pin your hopes on it. In the mean time, submit a bunch of other resumes for other positions. Getting hired is a numbers game. You generally have to lick a lot of envelopes to get an interview -- and do a lot of interviews to get an offer.

Marichiko - grant writing is about learning to write what they want to see. Easier when you have experience. But the job does not necessarily require experience. It requires someone who can quickly comprehend the system and write accordingly. No one is going to admit that in a job posting. They will be looking as to whether you can 'spin' the request as the grantor wants. IOW they want a quick learner; experience being secondary. They will look at your cover letter to learn how well you 'spin' - write what they want to hear. Go for the job and ignore those who need gratification by attacking others when they sense weakness.

Reposted because it applies again:

Long time Cellar Dwellers will remember a man named Barak - who played the "white boys" incessently. He too got others all huffed up and emotional over what was simple silliness. The difference was that Barak openly acknowledged he was baiting the "white boys".

Barak would have loved playing Lumberjim. Some boys remain boys long after they were suppose to become men. There was nothing offensive in Marichiko's post. But his response was an insult to men - just like those Springer characters.

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by tw

Some boys remain boys long after they were suppose to become men.

*always on the lookout for another clever sig. line!*^^

Bravo on all of your points in your response! :

[Troubleshooter]

I know that it may not carry much weight, and while I don't agree with him in how he handles it, but I have to join the Lumberjim camp on this point.

Her posts are generally commiserative pablum or complaining.

There are self-help and support groups out there that would provide a much more supportive environment.

She does provide the occasional witticism or insight but it is overshadowed by the maudlin nature of her posts.

A reserved disdain is more my style, but LJ isn't alone.

*dons flame-retardent suit, hands LJ his spare*

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I know that it may not carry much weight, and while I don't agree with him in how he handles it, but I have to join the Lumberjim camp on this point.

Her posts are generally commiserative pablum or complaining.

There are self-help and support groups out there that would provide a much more supportive environment.

She does provide the occasional witticism or insight but it is overshadowed by the maudlin nature of her posts.

A reserved disdain is more my style, but LJ isn't alone.

*dons flame-retardent suit, hands LJ his spare*

Reserved disdain works for me. At least that shows the person has a little class. So when it comes to me, you can leave off the flame retardant suit. That thing must get awfully stuffy if you have to wear it often.

I hardly consider The Cellar to be a support group, BTW. The first time I started posting here I got involved in a big fight with everybody, so it's hardly the warm, fuzzy glow which keeps me around.

I find it interesting that this has all started over a post where I stated that I feel my situation has improved enough for me to attempt some sort of meaningful work again and I asked the "intelligent" members of the cellar to give me some input from a professional point of view.

I have recieved intelligent and supportive input from many of you. A few chose to call my post more "whining." *shrugs* Whatever. If you were to go back and look at the old threads you might notice that after that first big argument with you all, I have mostly written of my situation because some other poster decided to shove my nose in it again and wouldn't let up until I replied.

I'm not so spineless that I'm going to attempt to tailor my posts to make every last person who reads them happy, and I have no problem telling someone when I disagree with what they post; nor do I have a problem when someone disagrees with me. I do have a problem with people who resort to name calling, obscenities, and generally incoherant replies. I have little respect for this because it shows both a lack of intelligence and a lack of integrity on the part of the person making such replies. They can certainly say what they want, but I don't have to respect them, either.

You have never responded to my posts in the above manner for all your apparant disdain for me, and I respect you for that.

[Beestie]

This thread needs to star in a snuff film.

[garnet]

I'm not going to jump in on the "LJ is an asshole" theme of this thread, because I've been the target of such a thread in the past, and it sucks. LJ, I know whe've had our differences, but can I give some advice? Just ignore Mari, ignore me, and ignore everyone else you hate here. Trust me, it makes life in the Cellar a lot more pleasant. There 's a few people here I can't stand, so I avoid them like the plague. Give it a shot man, it works. OK, I'm done. Feel free to call me cunt now

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by garnet

..... but can I give some advice? Just ignore Mari, ignore me, and ignore everyone else you hate here. Trust me, it makes life in the Cellar a lot more pleasant. .....

AH...

this is actually the heart of the matter. ignoring her and those like her won;t make it better. If I give her shit, and it makes her think twice about posting useless look at me threads, .....that works. people like to refer to the self policing nature of the cellar......well, how do you expect that to happen if no one has the balls to call someone out when they act like a ninny? the software won;t do it.....Tony can't. dave is gone, FnF aint here.......sycamore is too lazy to be honest about how he really fells about her, blah blah blah. I think beestie is right. i have made my point. i have taken my lumps. I'm not even going to reply to tw (except to remind him that cucumbers are on sale at the acme).

peace. i'll leave marichiko alone if you guys enjoy her posts so much. i just think it's a shame that I appear to be in the minority.
talk to you later.