What If...

[xoxoxoBruce]

You're a splinter group, and splinters always keep festering until that part of the whole becomes incapacitated, unable to work in coordination with the rest of the whole. Then the paralisis spreads until the whole is unable to defend itself from the creeping crud which will devour everything including splinters.

If that's your choice, then that's your privilege, but that's no reason to be rude in the mean time. Kumbaya, baby, kumbaya.

[Undertoad]

The Kling point comes down to this, for me;

When you study basic Physics, you get questions like,

A ball will run along a 20 foot track, which sits at a five degree angle. Assuming the ball is perfectly round, the track is perfectly straight, and there is zero friction, how long will it take for the ball to reach the bottom of the track?

In Physics 101, you can say "only solve for gravity" because you're learning about gravity, one particular force. But in the real world, that won't tell you anything.

In the real world, you can't say "only view it from the freedom/coercion angle" because the problem you are trying to solve is... I suppose... the best approach to human cooperation, into its yet undetermined future.

Culture. The foundation of morality. Evolved human nature. All that has a lot of fuckin' variables!! Humanity runs deeper than any of us knows.

If someone came up to you and claimed to have that solved to nine decimal places, wouldn't you be skeptical? You should be, there are a lot of people who make that claim.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

In the real world, you can't say "only view it from the freedom/coercion angle" because the problem you are trying to solve is... I suppose... the best approach to human cooperation, into its yet undetermined future.

I think the part both commies and libertarians miss about cooperation is that different humans thrive better using different systems. Some are open floor plan muther-fuckers, some hole up in a dark corner, some are better in a field with a dog, some work best in a big organization, some need military regimentation, the "system" has to leave room for choice. Having a remorseless top down system limits choice as does the no system system.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Culture. The foundation of morality. Evolved human nature. All that has a lot of fuckin' variables!! Humanity runs deeper than any of us knows.

Which is why physics teaches one to break a problem down into parts. Then solve the bigger problem by first solving it part by part.

Those who want to add emotional variations into the physics could not even solve the physics part. They get frustrated, angry, and confused.

Trick to life is to break problems down into parts. Then address each part separately. The art is knowing how to / where to do the breaks.

Amazing how henry throws everything into a big pot. Has no idea what is in there. And then immediately knows from observation (using only political biases) how to explain it all.

[henry quirk]

"you're saying left and right don't matter, anyone who tries to work within the existing system is complicit, is a commie."

Half right: left, right, pretty much the same, but folks workin' in the system aren't neccessarily complicit, just terminally niave.

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"Being an outlier isn't enough, one must not play at all."

Wrong. You gotta play (by your own rules).

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"I don't think divorcing oneself from the government and "commies" is possible without physically moving out."

Why would a body do that, be obligated to do that? I'm an American. I like living here, working here, would like to see America improve. I ain't goin' nowhere.

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"But no matter where people live, somebody else is boss, even if it's a boos of their choice."

Wrong. I work for me: I have customers, not bosses. As for government: it's supposed to be peopled by employees, not bosses. That so many view elected and appointed folks as 'bosses' is a big friggin' part of the problem.

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"The libertarians in South Africa are banding together. They feel cryptocurrancy is the way to avoid being controlled."

I can't get the page to load: cut & paste it, will you?

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I'm startin' a topic over in 'philosophy'...any one who wants to play: feel free.

[henry quirk]

"I think the part both commies and libertarians miss about cooperation is that different humans thrive better using different systems."

Oh, I get that, encourage that. If Stan is most comfortable in a collective, then Stan ought to work for that. But that ain't right for me, so Stan needs to be mindful that I'm not gonna play nice with him and his. Surely: I don't expect Stan to play nice with me and mine as we work for sumthin' loose & raw.

Ideally: we'd leave each other alone. I'm willing. Is Stan? Doesn't seem that way. I wanna de-regulate life. Even if I'm successful, Stan and his comrades can still voluntarily regulate their bodies, minds, souls to whatever degree they like.

Does Stan reciprocate? No. He, instead, demands I submit to the same regulation he wants for himself.

In short: I wanna be left alone, to leave Stan alone; he wants to wrap a leash (or noose) around my neck.

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"the "system" has to leave room for choice."

But it doesn't, and that's Stan's doin', not mine.

[henry quirk]

see my user title, my sig line

[Griff]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"I think the part both commies and libertarians miss about cooperation is that different humans thrive better using different systems."

Oh, I get that, encourage that. If Stan is most comfortable in a collective, then Stan ought to work for that. But that ain't right for me, so Stan needs to be mindful that I'm not gonna play nice with him and his. Surely: I don't expect Stan to play nice with me and mine as we work for sumthin' loose & raw.

Ideally: we'd leave each other alone. I'm willing. Is Stan? Doesn't seem that way. I wanna de-regulate life. Even if I'm successful, Stan and his comrades can still voluntarily regulate their bodies, minds, souls to whatever degree they like.

Does Stan reciprocate? No. He, instead, demands I submit to the same regulation he wants for himself.

In short: I wanna be left alone, to leave Stan alone; he wants to wrap a leash (or noose) around my neck.

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"the "system" has to leave room for choice."

But it doesn't, and that's Stan's doin', not mine.

The 50 state solution mitigates some of this but I take your point. "Stan" and his opponent "Bob" both have grievances. Bob feels that Jesus shows his favor in a bank account and since he will be returning soon all environmental regulation is a farce. Stan wants a return to a "natural world". Is it fair to say that Henry wants to stay out of their argument so as not to be a nit-picker? Griff would suggest that decent science paid for by taxes could inform our decision making process and proper engagement with the regulators in the executive branch could lead to a reasonable outcome.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

I can't get the page to load: cut & paste it, will you?

It's a pretty longish article on Wired, with a bunch of pictures.
I tried to get there on IE but wouldn't go, said this page can't be displayed and kicked it over to my search engine which is Google.
Googled found it, first on the list, but when I clicked on it IE refused to hook it up.
Damnifino? Chrome goes right to it.

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-a...ryptocurrency/

[Undertoad]

Bob feels that Jesus shows his favor in a bank account and since he will be returning soon all environmental regulation is a farce. Stan wants a return to a "natural world".

So both of them believe in a mythical apocalyptic outcome based on everyone's collective bad behavior not bringing about a correct condition?



*apologies for the thread drift

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

So both of them believe in a mythical apocalyptic outcome based on everyone's collective bad behavior not bringing about a correct condition?



*apologies for the thread drift

I wanted to show two extreme positions, held by irrational types. We each may find ourselves agreeing with one or both on occasion but a system to keep either from running roughshod seems sensible.

[henry quirk]

"Adults don't use those expressions."

In your entire adult life you never gave another soul the finger.

You're a liar (and your pants most certainly are on fire).

凸(-_-)凸

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

In your entire adult life you never gave another soul the finger.

Never did. And peers never did either (except in comedy). My peers are educated - not children.

I cannot even recall any peer in a bar fight. Adults never resort to childish antics. Adults who are still children do. It says so much about the mentality behind all those Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Fox News, and Pravda inspired beliefs.

Patriotic Americans are moderates. Wackos (anti-Americans) fly your fickle finger of fate. The intelligence behind that finger was mocked by Laugh-in. You could not learn even from Rowan and Martin?. Even Goldie Hawn demonstrated better patriotism.

Sorry. I did not mean to make this too complicated. Please feel free to continue 'wrecking shit'. It is what you do best.

[Clodfobble]

It's a little odd that you insert the "even" before the concept of a bar fight, as if that is less bad than flipping someone off.

"I've never left my garbage cans out after pickup day--hell, I've never even murdered anyone!"

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's because tw has no peers.