Obama Care vs Republicans

[Undertoad]

Adak, good on you for your post #45. Biggie called you out and you responded in kind. Much respect for that.

Without some kind of change, everyone was rolling right into Medicare/Medicaid, which to me is nationalized enough. Half of all medicine is paid for by the feds pre-O'care. People feel unprotected, while hospitals, at least around here, are like mini-Taj Mahals. Someone's getting PAID all this time...

But the system clearly wasn't working, and something had to be done. If O'care isn't sustainable we will find out soon enough, and fixes will be applied. But I personally prefer the D's let's do something as opposed to the R's let's do nothing and by the way let's get rid of the something if it's tried.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Adak, good on you for your post #45. Biggie called you out and you responded in kind. Much respect for that.

Without some kind of change, everyone was rolling right into Medicare/Medicaid, which to me is nationalized enough. Half of all medicine is paid for by the feds pre-O'care. People feel unprotected, while hospitals, at least around here, are like mini-Taj Mahals. Someone's getting PAID all this time...

But the system clearly wasn't working, and something had to be done. If O'care isn't sustainable we will find out soon enough, and fixes will be applied. But I personally prefer the D's let's do something as opposed to the R's let's do nothing and by the way let's get rid of the something if it's tried.

Thanks Undertoad.

One reason the system isn't working is we (US) pay so much more than any other country, for our meds. Why the hell can't we pay the same as say, Canadians, or other Western countries? Because we have an agreement to let ourselves be gouged!

Around here (California), many hospitals have gone broke and shut down. The law is that anyone showing up at the emergency entrance, must be treated, even if they're not citizens (you aren't allowed to even ask), or of course, can't pay and are uninsured.

We have lots of illegals (who can't pay), coming in for treatments. The hospitals financial losses are *staggering*. Many have closed if they are near the border with Mexico, or along the routes they travel through the county. Others have been converted to "Clinics" which do certain specialized treatments (Oncology, etc.), but have no Emergency room.

We have given exemptions to many of our largest employers, and union members are applying for them, as well. It will be very difficult to take that away, later. This is already a big concern with Obama Care.

Keeping my fingers crossed for good and quick fixes!

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Adak

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Around here (California), many hospitals have gone broke and shut down. The law is that anyone showing up at the emergency entrance, must be treated, even if they're not citizens (you aren't allowed to even ask), or of course, can't pay and are uninsured.

We have lots of illegals (who can't pay), coming in for treatments. The hospitals financial losses are *staggering*. Many have closed if they are near the border with Mexico, or along the routes they travel through the county. Others have been converted to "Clinics" which do certain specialized treatments (Oncology, etc.), but have no Emergency room.<snip>

Once more, Adakian words with little substance regarding Obamacare...

In 2013 the LA Times DATA DESK reports
for the State of California between 1998 and 2007:

63 Hospitals closed, but only 21 of these had Emergency Rooms
... and all but 13 of these closed more than 10 yrs ago (<2003)
(Some of these facilities may have re-opened under new names or ownerships.)

466 Hospitals remain open, and 14 of these opened new ER's

Thus, there is a net loss of only 7 ER's across the entire state.

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[Happy Monkey]

So, Cruz read Green Eggs and Ham during his Fauxlibuster.

Cruz said after he finished reading the story that the book "has some applicability, as curious as it may sound, to the Obamcare debate," adding that Americans "did not like green eggs and ham, and they did not like Obamacare either."

The moral of that story is that it turned out that green eggs and ham were delicious...

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So, Cruz read Green Eggs and Ham during his Fauxlibuster.


The moral of that story is that it turned out that green eggs and ham were delicious...

What REALLY happened was Senator Cruz said he wanted to tell a good night story to his kids, and read from Dr. Suez, for a few minutes. Then he said goodnight and "Don't worry, Daddy will be home soon".

If it had been Obama, it would have been a touching family scene, perhaps done with a split screen. One screen showing Cruz reading the bed time story, and the other showing the kids listening at home.

But Cruz is a conservative, so instantly this really touching few minutes, were reported by most media, as something crazy or very silly. It was neither. It was a father reading a short bed time story, to his kids, when he couldn't be at home to do it personally.

That's one of the big problems for the Republican party. They have plans to fix our health care system, and a lot of other plans as well, but no one is getting it out to the media. And when they do, it gets minimum, or slanted coverage.

As long as the media treats everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies as a racist, there's no basis for honest reporting. It's all reporting "stories that fit into our framework or theme", as the New York Times editor brazenly put it. When you have a propaganda campaign instead of honest reporting, it's a wonder you have anyone willing to stand up against it. That was the entire purpose of Cruz's over-night, speech. (It wasn't a filibuster, since it did not delay or stop the vote on any bill.)

So I salute Sen. Cruz for a bold stand, along with Senators Lee, Rubio, Rand, and all the rest. It wasn't always pretty, but he did get some media attention for the fact that many Americans are against Obama Care, as it's currently being implemented, and many are concerned about the repeating increases in our debt, caused by the excessive spending of Obama and Congress.

While fighting to stop ObamaCare may be the most popular cause among Conservatives, it would be more productive to force *some* cuts in spending, in return for raising the debt ceiling.

Getting something is a lot better than nothing, and as political leaders, they have to learn that compromise is the name of the game, ultimately. This is politics, not a gun fight at the OK Corral.

[Griff]

I do think Republicans get screwed by the media generally on this kind of stuff. I'm sure Cruz is not a conservative though. Conservatives like a stable environment for business and families. Obamacare seeks compromises with conservatives to promote those things. We don't want a system that ruins individuals with health issues, that is the situation we're coming from. To make conservatives happy, insurance companies were included in the system instead of being destroyed for the greater good. When Tea Partiers shut down government programs they send ripples through the economy in all kinds of unforeseen ways. My non-profit does special education services for a lot less money than the public school alternative, but we're going down the drain because of last years sequester. Cruz is no conservative. His radical policies destroy businesses, jobs, and individuals. Don't hide behind the single-payer fig leaf, Cruz would never support that and you know it.

[Lamplighter]

What REALLY happened was Senator Cruz said he wanted to tell a good night story to his kids,
and read from Dr. Suez, for a few minutes. Then he said goodnight and "Don't worry, Daddy will be home soon".
<snip>
It was a father reading a short bed time story, to his kids, when he couldn't be at home to do it personally.<snip>

Geeesh Adak, do you really have to try to re-write everything to fit your own unique worldview.
Maybe the media coverage was a bit more than needed, but try taking a few things in politics with a grain of salt.

What you can not avoid is that Cruz's views were completely rejected by the Senate (100 to 0)
... he even voted against himself !

Like Gerald Ford bumping his head and being wrong about Poland,
Cruz likely will forever be linked to green eggs... and being wrong about them, too.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

What REALLY happened was Senator Cruz said he wanted to tell a good night story to his kids, and read from Dr. Suez, for a few minutes. Then he said goodnight and "Don't worry, Daddy will be home soon".

Cruz said after he finished reading the story that the book "has some applicability, as curious as it may sound, to the Obamcare debate," adding that Americans "did not like green eggs and ham, and they did not like Obamacare either."

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

What REALLY happened was Senator Cruz said he wanted to tell a good night story to his kids, and read from Dr. Suez, for a few minutes. Then he said goodnight and "Don't worry, Daddy will be home soon".

If it had been Obama, it would have been a touching family scene, perhaps done with a split screen. One screen showing Cruz reading the bed time story, and the other showing the kids listening at home.

But Cruz is a conservative, so instantly this really touching few minutes, were reported by most media, as something crazy or very silly. It was neither. It was a father reading a short bed time story, to his kids, when he couldn't be at home to do it personally.

That's one of the big problems for the Republican party. They have plans to fix our health care system, and a lot of other plans as well, but no one is getting it out to the media. And when they do, it gets minimum, or slanted coverage.

As long as the media treats everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies as a racist, there's no basis for honest reporting. It's all reporting "stories that fit into our framework or theme", as the New York Times editor brazenly put it. When you have a propaganda campaign instead of honest reporting, it's a wonder you have anyone willing to stand up against it. That was the entire purpose of Cruz's over-night, speech. (It wasn't a filibuster, since it did not delay or stop the vote on any bill.)

So I salute Sen. Cruz for a bold stand, along with Senators Lee, Rubio, Rand, and all the rest. It wasn't always pretty, but he did get some media attention for the fact that many Americans are against Obama Care, as it's currently being implemented, and many are concerned about the repeating increases in our debt, caused by the excessive spending of Obama and Congress.

While fighting to stop ObamaCare may be the most popular cause among Conservatives, it would be more productive to force *some* cuts in spending, in return for raising the debt ceiling.

Getting something is a lot better than nothing, and as political leaders, they have to learn that compromise is the name of the game, ultimately. This is politics, not a gun fight at the OK Corral.

Dr Suez.

What a man, what a plan, what a canal! I'm so touched by Cruz the Suess. *wipes away tear*

[Adak]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Dr Suez.

What a man, what a plan, what a canal! I'm so touched by Cruz the Suess. *wipes away tear*

Sorry, but I didn't hear about Dr. Suess growing up. My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

So the Tea Party says bogeymen are now hiding under everyone's bed. Evil witches and liberals now hide around every corner. Why do so many adults read those bedtime stories?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Adak

Sorry, but I didn't hear about Dr. Suess growing up. My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

Ahhh.... at least now we have an explanation for the unfortunate Adakian mindset.

[orthodoc]

Now THAT was a major oops on Cruz's part. Could it be he's never read the story before ...?

As for nationalized natural resources, I'm for it. It works great in Alberta, Canada, where the oil revenue goes into the provincial economy and everyone benefits. I say the US should imitate what works.

[orthodoc]

Nice. This is how it should work - the Senate should consider the bill that the House has sent them, and amend it as they see fit. Send it back to the House etc.

Obamacare has faults, but they can be addressed piecemeal as they arise. Doing something, rather than nothing, is a start. The end product will have been worked on and hammered out over many years and won't resemble the beginning. That's all right. We need the will to start correcting things.

[Lamplighter]

Obamacare has faults...

which are as follows: