The Pope reprimands Catholic Nuns in U.S.

[footfootfoot]

An apropos joke:

A guy from the Bronx has a wild, sex and booze fueled debauched weekend. Monday morning he goes to his parish priest, Father Mazzanotti, and makes a confession to assuage his guilt. Needless to say the priest is wholly (haha) taken aback and prescribes a severe penance including daily mass, fasting, stations of the cross, charity work, novenas, the whole megillah. (haha again)

On his way to work the guy is beside himself at the enormity of his penance, figuring it will take weeks and all of his vacation time. He gets off the subway on the lower east side and decides to stop into a church near his work and get a second opinion.

Father Ruiz is hearing confessions that morning and the man goes in and confesses the same sins including a few more from the weekend that he remembered on the train ride. Father Ruiz listens and says, "God is forgiving, my son. Ligth a candle, say two Hail Marys and an Our Father, and put five bucks in the poor box."

The guy is flabbergasted and says to Father Ruiz "I confessed those same sins to my parish priest and he gave me this enormous penance: daily mass, fasting, stations of the cross, charity work, novenas, the whole megillah." "Why the difference?"

Father Ruiz says to him "Ahhh, what do they know about fancy fucking in the Bronx?"


And no, neither the nun nor anyone else fainted.

[tw]

Pope lambasts the Curia. Not one Cellar moderate has a comment? Is this board slowly conceding to its extremists? Do moderates now fear to discuss issues because extremists will make discussion nasty?

[Lamplighter]

I just hope he has the stamina, chutzpah, and determination,
along with the appropriate number of food-tasters, tactical vests,
and Uguisu-Bari floors to see his philosophy thru to completion.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I just hope he has the stamina, chutzpah, and determination, along with the appropriate number of food-tasters, tactical vests, and Uguisu-Bari floors to see his philosophy thru to completion.

So what is that philosophy? Have battle lines formed? This Pope clearly defined an enemy. But who in the Curia are examples of that enemy?

I suspect Jesuits have sided with the Pope. But even that is speculation. Are, for example, Dominicans lining up against him? Have Fransicans taken a stand. Or do potential battle lines form along different parameters such as Italians verses non-Italians?

Was his speech before the Curia a declaraion of war? Or will his reform remain as non-existant as it has been so far? Is he simply blowing hot air before an entrenched. too powerful, and self gratifying Curia?

Is there anything worthy of being called a fact? Nasty poster need not post again since, as usual, he has nothing useful to contribute - only cheapshot attacks. I do not see anything that even says why a previous Pope resigned. Does anyone has any indication of what is going on; of what this Pope's strategy really is? Has a underground war broken out? Or is this talk of reform only smoke?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by tw

Is there anything worthy of being called a fact? <snip>

I suspect that until a few years pass we will not know anything certain. But for now,
your questions have the flavor of those who challenge Presidential actions by Obama.
Some only see a black man as President and can't abide it,
while others see a list of his decisions for the US government
as the important initial changes that are/will be beneficial to American society.

Regarding the Pope, I think 2 of my previously postings speak closely to your questions:

loc. cit. #45

loc. cit. #49

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I just hope he has the stamina, chutzpah, and determination,
along with the appropriate number of food-tasters, tactical vests,
and Uguisu-Bari floors to see his philosophy thru to completion.

Uguisu-Bari floors? Do you think Big Frankie will take the Cards to the mattresses?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Uguisu-Bari floors? Do you think Big Frankie will take the Cards to the mattresses?

... at least he would hear them coming.







I apologize... the devil made me do it.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Uguisu-Bari floors? Do you think Big Frankie will take the Cards to the mattresses?

Hot monkey love? Not likely to get reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Not one Cellar moderate has a comment? Is this board slowly conceding to its extremists? Do moderates now fear to discuss issues because extremists will make discussion nasty?

Almost all the moderates were chased away by asshat extremists like yourself.
Some of us no longer care to discuss these issues as they create such animosity elsewhere on the board.

However, watching/reading you get your ass handed to you repeatedly by noboxes has been quite entertaining.

[sexobon]

That knife was in the hand of Dan Anrig who committed professional suicide with it. That's why I referred tw to Christoph Graf, the likely successor. Reading between the lines you'll find that the Pope does believe in assisted suicide when it comes to careers.

[Lamplighter]

Resolution ...

Pope Francis to Cardiinal Levada: Don't mess with the Sisters !

Vatican Ends Battle With U.S. Catholic Nuns’ Group
NY Times = LAURIE GOODSTEIN = APRIL 16, 2015

The Vatican has abruptly ended its takeover of the main leadership group of American nuns
two years earlier than expected, allowing Pope Francis to put to rest a confrontation started by
his predecessor that created an uproar among American Catholics who had rallied to the sisters’ defense.
...
Ending the standoff with the nuns is one of several course corrections that Francis has set in motion.
He has also worked on reforming the Vatican Curia, the Vatican’s central administration,
instituting tighter oversight of Vatican finances, and has created a commission
to deal with sexual abuse by clergy members.
...
On Thursday, that included calling an unexpected meeting with four of the leaders
of the Leadership Conference. The four women were photographed in his office and
said afterward in a statement that they were “deeply heartened” by Francis’
“expression of appreciation” for the lives and ministry of Catholic sisters.

“He met with them himself for almost an hour, and that’s an extravagant amount of papal time,”
said Eileen Burke-Sullivan, a theologian and consultant for women’s religious orders and
vice provost for mission and ministry at Creighton University, a Jesuit school in Omaha.

“It’s about as close to an apology, I would think, as the Catholic Church is officially going to render.”