The Bible Is Bullshit

[classicman]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

it all boils down to bad decisions and a system that caters to those bad decisions, no matter what their excuse.

...complain to your elected representative. Tell them to change the system so these people can't waste *our* money.

Wow. Well worth repeating!

[Stormieweather]

If it wasn't God's will, then it was Satan's fault. If neither of those apply, then we need to take personal responsibility for it. But only as a last resort....

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

If it wasn't God's will, then it was Satan's fault. If neither of those apply, then we need to take personal responsibility for it. But only as a last resort....

You're right. I was too pissy about it and I do take responsibility for it. Sorry to anyone I ticked off.

[Madman]

Yes... I agree.

Practicing my New Years resolution.

[Cicero]

Stormie made my point. That's awesome.

I have to live with every bad thing I have ever done. I can't give it to something that does not exist. I have to fess to it, to myself. Then make the changes that need to be made. My sins are my sins and I did not approve a god to kill theirselves for my sins. Don't kill yourself or be killed for any sin of mine. You do not have my approval. They are mine. Kthnx. I haven't done anything that bad anyway. No one needs more gruesome death to be forgiven. That is faulty thinking. I am capable of saving myself. I am capable of living with my own sins. I am capable of forgiving myself. No one needs to do that for me. It's for me to do. If I have hurt someone it is up to me to make amends, and god isn't going to do it for me.

If you disagree, may god forgive me.

I know people feel more comfortable thinking that they have been forgiven by a great power. But I don't live that way. I'm not always comfortable because I have to work on my issues. I can forgive myself when I have done something about them, and an outside entity managing it will not help. That will just give me more wiggle room to keep screwing up now won't it? When I manage it myself I have good character. When I do for myself and then others why would an outside force be compelled to get involved?

Can any of you say that you don't need to be forgiven by god? I can. I can't even figure out what being forgiven by god even involves. I owe no entities an explanation. And if I do, then god itself needs to let me know, because I am currently unaware of being involved with anything that wants to micro-manage my responsibilites, my screw-ups, or my good qualities.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Cicero

I have to live with every bad thing I have ever done. I can't give it to something that does not exist. I have to fess to it, to myself. Then make the changes that need to be made. My sins are my sins and I did not approve a god to kill theirselves for my sins. Don't kill yourself or be killed for any sin of mine. You do not have my approval. They are mine. Kthnx. I haven't done anything that bad anyway. No one needs more gruesome death to be forgiven. That is faulty thinking. I am capable of saving myself. I am capable of living with my own sins. I am capable of forgiving myself. No one needs to do that for me. It's for me to do. If I have hurt someone it is up to me to make amends, and god isn't going to do it for me.

So what you're saying is, Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not yours?

[DanaC]

Can any of you say that you don't need to be forgiven by god?

Yup.

[Sundae]

I would be grateful if I were forgiven by the people I hurt.

But I also accept that sometimes the hurt is out of proportion to the action. I see that from both sides.

I have had someone claiming near-fatal hurt for something that didn't warrant it. I have also suffered for years over a hurt that was not intended and was possibly prolonged by my own sense of drama (although I believed in the honesty of physically felt emotions at the time).

You know I don't believe in God. But I also don't believe in fate, true love, luck etc. If you said my life was therefore barren I'sd agree. Apart from the therefore part. If I was beautiful, it would differ. And that makes a big difference in your belief systems. Trust me.

[Stormieweather]

If you said my life was therefore barren I'sd agree. Apart from the therefore part. If I was beautiful, it would differ. And that makes a big difference in your belief systems. Trust me.

I respectfully disagree. Beauty does not make for a full, wonderful life. I know many utterly miserable, gorgeous people.

[Cicero]

Nah. I'm doubting the whole thing. I don't even usually use the word sin.

Maybe jesus did die for sins, dunno, but there is also no proof that it actually worked. Bad methodology.

[Ibby]

Psst, it was a Patti Smith reference.

[Cicero]

Oh jeez. Sorry. I always screw up on the Patti Smith references.

[DanaC]

Sundae. You are beautiful. Do you think you aren't bonny because you aren't slim like you used to be? That's total bollocks. That's like saying weight=ugly. You were a bonny lass when you were skinny and you are a bonny lass now you are not. Remember I walked through Leicester and Greenwich with you, and sat in pubs and restaurants. Men look at you. You have a beautiful face, intelligent eyes that hint at spice and sex, and you carry yourself with grace and poise. You can carry off the diva/vamp look better than anyone else I know. And you have a smile that can light up a room, or intrigue like the Mona Lisa.

The reason you may not be connecting with guys has nothing to do with the way you look, it might be to do with what messages you are giving out. That's my guess anyway. Maybe some part of you doesn't actually feel ready to let down your guard and you are subconsciously putting up the Not Available sign.

[Sundae]

Thanks darlin' - you are a very kind person.
Probably my problems are all in my head. But it's the only one I got!

I've been watching too much TV since I moved here I think.
It just seems that everything I watch has a love story. Even action films. Even children's TV.
And it's all love at first sight, and men laying down their lives for a woman they don't know yet, and professing undying love within minutes of meeting. So it's all about love based on appearance. And I'm unhappy with mine. So I get all melodramatic and let it out here.

Different next year. Promise.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Thanks darlin' - you are a very kind person.
Probably my problems are all in my head. But it's the only one I got!

I've been watching too much TV since I moved here I think.
It just seems that everything I watch has a love story. Even action films. Even children's TV.
And it's all love at first sight, and men laying down their lives for a woman they don't know yet, and professing undying love within minutes of meeting. So it's all about love based on appearance. And I'm unhappy with mine. So I get all melodramatic and let it out here.

Different next year. Promise.

What Dana said. And, sweetheart, you just need to get yourself a man full of either #1) profundities, or #2) shite, and bonk his brains out. Best. Relationship. Ever. Promise!