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Clodfobble · 10-08-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Cook County ( Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

Paired with one of the lowest state income taxes in the country. You gotta look for the whole picture.

classicman · 10-08-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

McCain IS Bush. He sold his soul to Team Bush a while ago in order to have this chance at the presidency.

That pretty much is the party mantra. thats fine. valid opinion.

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

He's not McCain.
He isn't Bush's lap dog.
He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms
Obama is smart.
Obama is fresh.
Obama has served with class and dignity.
Obama is not in the pocket of big oil.

Ok thats a start - I'll keep a running tally.

classicman · 10-08-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Paired with one of the lowest state income taxes in the country. You gotta look for the whole picture.

Thank you Clod - thats exactly what I'm trying to do.

Pico and ME · 10-08-2008, 10:47 AM

[quote=classicman;491126]That pretty much is the party mantra. thats fine. valid opinion.[quote]

Yes, but it's been my opinion before it became part of Obamas's campaign strategy. McCain has been Bush's cheerleader for a long time now.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2008, 10:53 AM

Twice, I couldn't decide who would be best for the country, so I voted for the guy that I thought would do best for me personally. Both choices turned into BIG regrets. Nixon & Bush. I'm convinced McCain would be the third.

glatt · 10-08-2008, 11:00 AM

Clearly the big immediate issue is the economy. I'm not convinced that one of them is better equipped than the other to do anything about it, but Obama has tapped into a bunch of the old Clinton economic advisers, and I think Clinton did a great job managing the economy. So that makes me lean toward Obama when it comes to the economy. I like Obama's talk about the middle class being important. I'm not sure he can do anything for us, but at least he's talking about it. I honestly believe McCain will continue on the path of rewarding corporations. So on the economy, I'm solidly behind Obama.

I think the most important issue facing us today is the energy issue. I think the correct approach on energy is to develop as many alternative sources as possible and to try our best to minimize our dependence on foreign oil. Because coal and oil are raising the temperature of the planet, I think we should get as far away from them as possible. I think we should dramatically expand nuclear energy, and also expand wind, solar, biomass, tidal, geothermal, and anything else that makes sense. We should also use a carrot and stick approach to reduce consumption.

I think McCain is only paying lip service to alternative energy. The "Drill, baby. Drill!" chants show where he really stands, but I think he also genuinely wants to increase nuclear energy, which I like.

I think Obama really is serious about alternative energy and is only paying lip service to nuclear. He's saying drilling isn't the answer. I haven't heard either of them talk about reducing consumption.

Neither one of them has any executive experience. The only thing they have run are their campaigns. I think Obama has done an outstanding job running his campaign organization. I think McCain has been reckless and impulsive in many of his moves.

McCain used to be able to legitimately claim he is a maverick, but he can't claim that anymore. He's sucked up to Bush to get to this point. Obama has never pretended to be a maverick. Both McCain and Obama are partisan.

I honestly believe that George W. Bush is a miserable failure. He's the worst president in our country's history. McCain is tied closely to Bush, as much as he likes to say he's a maverick. Obama would make the pendulum swing back in the other direction. It might not be the direction that I agree with completely, but it's close enough. I'm voting for Obama in large part because I don't like Bush.

If McCain is elected, I think we will be better off than we are under Bush, but I think we'll be even better off under Obama.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Twice, I couldn't decide who would be best for the country, so I voted for the guy that I thought would do best for me personally. Both choices turned into BIG regrets. Nixon & Bush. I'm convinced McCain would be the third.

One Bush one time, Two Bushes twice, or two bushes three times?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2008, 11:20 AM

Nixon & W.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Dub TWICE?

heheeeeeheehe

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2008, 11:29 AM

You can still be sent back to your old job.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 11:39 AM

Eeeeek.

See, I still keep thinking they're going to try to hold me to contract or something!

I'll be good, I promise! (bats eyes and looks innocent)

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2008, 11:42 AM

You'd better, I'd hate to have to beat down someone as cute as you are.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 11:45 AM

snicker snicker...I can't wait to thank my best friend for letting me use her picture.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2008, 11:52 AM

Three times.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 12:07 PM

THNORT!

10-08-2008, 10:53 AM	#50
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Twice, I couldn't decide who would be best for the country, so I voted for the guy that I thought would do best for me personally. Both choices turned into BIG regrets. Nixon & Bush. I'm convinced McCain would be the third. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-08-2008, 11:20 AM	#53
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Nixon & W. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-08-2008, 11:21 AM	#54
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Dub TWICE? heheeeeeheehe __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-08-2008, 11:29 AM	#55
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You can still be sent back to your old job. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-08-2008, 11:39 AM	#56
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Eeeeek. See, I still keep thinking they're going to try to hold me to contract or something! I'll be good, I promise! (bats eyes and looks innocent) __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-08-2008, 10:47 AM	#49
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	[quote=classicman;491126]That pretty much is the party mantra. thats fine. valid opinion.[quote] Yes, but it's been my opinion before it became part of Obamas's campaign strategy. McCain has been Bush's cheerleader for a long time now.

10-08-2008, 11:00 AM	#51
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Clearly the big immediate issue is the economy. I'm not convinced that one of them is better equipped than the other to do anything about it, but Obama has tapped into a bunch of the old Clinton economic advisers, and I think Clinton did a great job managing the economy. So that makes me lean toward Obama when it comes to the economy. I like Obama's talk about the middle class being important. I'm not sure he can do anything for us, but at least he's talking about it. I honestly believe McCain will continue on the path of rewarding corporations. So on the economy, I'm solidly behind Obama. I think the most important issue facing us today is the energy issue. I think the correct approach on energy is to develop as many alternative sources as possible and to try our best to minimize our dependence on foreign oil. Because coal and oil are raising the temperature of the planet, I think we should get as far away from them as possible. I think we should dramatically expand nuclear energy, and also expand wind, solar, biomass, tidal, geothermal, and anything else that makes sense. We should also use a carrot and stick approach to reduce consumption. I think McCain is only paying lip service to alternative energy. The "Drill, baby. Drill!" chants show where he really stands, but I think he also genuinely wants to increase nuclear energy, which I like. I think Obama really is serious about alternative energy and is only paying lip service to nuclear. He's saying drilling isn't the answer. I haven't heard either of them talk about reducing consumption. Neither one of them has any executive experience. The only thing they have run are their campaigns. I think Obama has done an outstanding job running his campaign organization. I think McCain has been reckless and impulsive in many of his moves. McCain used to be able to legitimately claim he is a maverick, but he can't claim that anymore. He's sucked up to Bush to get to this point. Obama has never pretended to be a maverick. Both McCain and Obama are partisan. I honestly believe that George W. Bush is a miserable failure. He's the worst president in our country's history. McCain is tied closely to Bush, as much as he likes to say he's a maverick. Obama would make the pendulum swing back in the other direction. It might not be the direction that I agree with completely, but it's close enough. I'm voting for Obama in large part because I don't like Bush. If McCain is elected, I think we will be better off than we are under Bush, but I think we'll be even better off under Obama.

10-08-2008, 11:42 AM	#57
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You'd better, I'd hate to have to beat down someone as cute as you are. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-08-2008, 11:45 AM	#58
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	snicker snicker...I can't wait to thank my best friend for letting me use her picture. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-08-2008, 11:52 AM	#59
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Three times. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-08-2008, 12:07 PM	#60
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	THNORT! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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