Bush Expected to Veto 'Hate Crimes' Bill - Page 4

Aliantha · 05-06-2007, 11:31 PM

Well it'd be doubly interesting to do a study on why non-white women don't report crimes committed against them by white men then.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-06-2007, 11:34 PM

Can't help you there, I'm not a black women nor do I rape them.

Aliantha · 05-06-2007, 11:42 PM

Well I wouldn't have thought you were either, although this is the internet, so you just never know I guess.

Happy Monkey · 05-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But shouldn't the jury be making the calls, not elected DAs?

They do. People are often charged with multiple versions of the same crime, and the jury has to decide which, if any, to convict on.

Hyoi · 05-07-2007, 11:58 AM

I don't have strong convictions on this but I just don't see the point of making laws more complicated than they already are. It doesn't make sense. What am I missing here?.......xoxoxoBruce

Entropy, xo, entropy......the tendency towards a state of disorder. Attempts to simplify are futile. The introduction of logic to an argument is also unacceptable.

05-07-2007, 09:39 PM

One crime, one charge... pick one and stick with it.

Happy Monkey · 05-08-2007, 12:59 PM

That's not how it works, or how it ought to work.

In a fatal car accident, was it manslaughter, negligent homicide, or murder? How can you tell without hearing from the witnesses? Was the defendant drunk? Speeding? Did they know the victim? Was there bad blood between them? Was the car in good repair? Did the victim leap out in front of the car?

xoxoxoBruce · 05-08-2007, 01:18 PM

Or someone that just needed killin'.

Happy Monkey · 05-08-2007, 02:36 PM

Exactly- there's another motive-based crime: Justifiable Homicide.

duck_duck · 05-09-2007, 02:14 AM

The whole hate crimes idea is crazy. Give equal punishment for assault, murder etc. no matter the victim\'s minority status.

Ibby · 05-09-2007, 02:26 AM

So duck2, if someone put a burning cross on your lawn, and you were the only black family in your entire neighborhood... that should be punished as only littering, arson, whatever?

Again, this whole hate crimes thing is fucked up but definitely not without merit.

duck_duck · 05-09-2007, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

So duck2, if someone put a burning cross on your lawn, and you were the only black family in your entire neighborhood... that should be punished as only littering, arson, whatever?

Again, this whole hate crimes thing is fucked up but definitely not without merit.

It should be arson like any other.

Ibby · 05-09-2007, 07:35 AM

That's a crock of stinking, rotting bullshit.

Some things are more than the sum of their parts.

Beestie · 05-09-2007, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

So duck2, if someone put a burning cross on your lawn, and you were the only black family in your entire neighborhood... that should be punished as only littering, arson, whatever?

Again, this whole hate crimes thing is fucked up but definitely not without merit.

No, its without merit. The victim of a cross-burning, since that seems to be the poster child for the hate crime folk, has a civil remedy as well.

I mean, if a lawyer can sue a hard-working American family-owned small business for sixty-five farking million freaking dollars then I think the cross burnee should be able to get a little something. This whole hate-crime business is pure, unadulterated legislative bullcrap that will crumple like a wet dishrag when evaluated against the equal protection under the law provisions of the Constitution.

But Constitutional muster has little to do with quite a bit of the legislation being written for and by self-interested, short-sighted vote-whoring politicians who just can't kiss enough minority backside.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-09-2007, 02:22 PM

C'mon Beestie, tell us what you really think.

05-06-2007, 11:31 PM	#46
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well it'd be doubly interesting to do a study on why non-white women don't report crimes committed against them by white men then. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-06-2007, 11:34 PM	#47
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Can't help you there, I'm not a black women nor do I rape them. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-06-2007, 11:42 PM	#48
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well I wouldn't have thought you were either, although this is the internet, so you just never know I guess. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-07-2007, 11:58 AM	#50
Hyoi Faithful Companion Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 188	I don't have strong convictions on this but I just don't see the point of making laws more complicated than they already are. It doesn't make sense. What am I missing here?.......xoxoxoBruce Entropy, xo, entropy......the tendency towards a state of disorder. Attempts to simplify are futile. The introduction of logic to an argument is also unacceptable. __________________ When you stop trying to make sense of it all, it all begins to make sense.

05-08-2007, 12:59 PM	#52
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	That's not how it works, or how it ought to work. In a fatal car accident, was it manslaughter, negligent homicide, or murder? How can you tell without hearing from the witnesses? Was the defendant drunk? Speeding? Did they know the victim? Was there bad blood between them? Was the car in good repair? Did the victim leap out in front of the car? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-07-2007, 09:39 PM	#51
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	One crime, one charge... pick one and stick with it.

05-08-2007, 01:18 PM	#53
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Or someone that just needed killin'. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-08-2007, 02:36 PM	#54
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Exactly- there's another motive-based crime: Justifiable Homicide. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-09-2007, 02:14 AM	#55
duck_duck Soul Duck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: over here Posts: 485	The whole hate crimes idea is crazy. Give equal punishment for assault, murder etc. no matter the victim\'s minority status. __________________ Girls are like phones. We love to be held, talked too but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected!

05-09-2007, 02:26 AM	#56
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	So duck2, if someone put a burning cross on your lawn, and you were the only black family in your entire neighborhood... that should be punished as only littering, arson, whatever? Again, this whole hate crimes thing is fucked up but definitely not without merit. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-09-2007, 07:35 AM	#58
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	That's a crock of stinking, rotting bullshit. Some things are more than the sum of their parts. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-09-2007, 02:22 PM	#60
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	C'mon Beestie, tell us what you really think. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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