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Undertoad · 01-16-2007, 06:09 AM

How much support did the US Government send to the IRA?

Griff · 01-16-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You'd do better hoping for victory with every fiber of your being instead. Losing to the anti-Westerners will redound upon YOU.

Oops! Time to jump off the democracy bandwagon eh?

fargon · 01-17-2007, 03:07 AM

The draft is a bad thing, conscription is not the answer. Pay your people well to attract them to the job, and train the hell out of them.

These "people" ( Islamic terrorists) are barbarians, and beneath our contempt.
I for one do not want to use my guns to defend my neighborhood against a bunch of "Islamic" nut cases. I would rather shoot Pepsi cans, and paper targets.
As fer as Israel is concerned, we need to remember that these people survived the holocaust,(yes Adolph it really happened) and do not want a repeat of history.

Undertoad · 01-17-2007, 08:06 AM

Right. The answer to the (patently ignored) question "How much support did the US Government give the IRA?" is "None at all", which breaks the IRA analogy in the case of Iran.

Iran, who is supplying the insurgency with materiel, currently in the form of shaped explosive charges that are specifically anti-tank. And expertise in the form of senior military personnel.

yesman065 · 01-17-2007, 08:07 AM

[quote]the Iraq Study Group is our only viable resolution. Did you read that either - or just know from what you heard?[quote]

[quote]I don't make any claims of being smart. I first learn facts before having an opinion.[quote]

[quote]And again you have been brainwashed by Fox News, CBN, Fox News, and other purveyors of wacko extremism.[quote]

Griff · 01-17-2007, 08:11 AM

I thought tw's point about the IRA was that the funding was coming from private Americans rather than the gummint? He has taken the density up a couple notches though...

Undertoad · 01-17-2007, 08:29 AM

It's an analogy. "Just like".

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Iran is responsible for supporting the insurgency just like the US is responsible for doing same for the IRA in Northern Ireland.

The US Gov tried successfully and unsuccessfully to stop it.

Private individuals in the US were - and maybe still are - the source of funding for many anti-US middle east terrorist organizations via fake charities, just like the IRA situation. It's no surprise. This is where the money is.

Phil · 01-17-2007, 01:11 PM

i dont agree with the attacking of other members, but i mostly agree with TW's post above. why is it so hard to believe the govt's are not telling the truth and the whole truth? people should question their govts, and probe for the truth. there is enough information coming out to bolster the opinion that there is a hidden agenda in just about everything our govts do. try to imagine what theyre NOT telling us.

yesman065 · 01-17-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

why is it so hard to believe the govt's are not telling the truth and the whole truth? people should question their govts, and probe for the truth. there is enough information coming out to bolster the opinion that there is a hidden agenda in just about everything our govts do. try to imagine what theyre NOT telling us.

I don't think any gov't ever anywhere told "the masses" all of what was/is going on. There are hidden agendas in every Gov't. I can honestly say that we probably don't want to know what they aren't telling us. For example, the London cell plot that was recently exposed. Having things like that happen or knowing they were about to potentially happen here in America would NOT be a good thing.

Phil · 01-17-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

I don't think any gov't ever anywhere told "the masses" all of what was/is going on. There are hidden agendas in every Gov't. I can honestly say that we probably don't want to know what they aren't telling us. For example, the London cell plot that was recently exposed. Having things like that happen or knowing they were about to potentially happen here in America would NOT be a good thing.

how so?

yesman065 · 01-17-2007, 01:49 PM

Uh, Mass panic, utter disorder, paranoia. . . Please?

Phil · 01-17-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

Uh, Mass panic, utter disorder, paranoia. . . Please?

well thats the key isnt it? not to panic and go in all guns blazing. wow. is America really that paranoid? whatever happened to demonstrations and protests?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-17-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

whatever happened to demonstrations and protests?

I would.......but......that involves.......work.

Phil · 01-23-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I would.......but......that involves.......work.

thats exactly what these "leaders" want : apathy. it will be the undoing of many a nation.
a people should not fear their government - a government should fear the people. cant remember who said that, but its true.

yesman065 · 01-23-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

thats exactly what these "leaders" want : apathy. it will be the undoing of many a nation.
a people should not fear their government - a government should fear the people.

The Middle East is a great example of that - too many of those countries have it back-asswards.

01-17-2007, 03:07 AM	#3
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	The draft is a bad thing, conscription is not the answer. Pay your people well to attract them to the job, and train the hell out of them. These "people" ( Islamic terrorists) are barbarians, and beneath our contempt. I for one do not want to use my guns to defend my neighborhood against a bunch of "Islamic" nut cases. I would rather shoot Pepsi cans, and paper targets. As fer as Israel is concerned, we need to remember that these people survived the holocaust,(yes Adolph it really happened) and do not want a repeat of history. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind. Last edited by fargon; 01-17-2007 at 03:09 AM. Reason: Clarification

01-17-2007, 08:11 AM	#6
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I thought tw's point about the IRA was that the funding was coming from private Americans rather than the gummint? He has taken the density up a couple notches though... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-17-2007, 01:11 PM	#8
Phil Hoodoo Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 304	i dont agree with the attacking of other members, but i mostly agree with TW's post above. why is it so hard to believe the govt's are not telling the truth and the whole truth? people should question their govts, and probe for the truth. there is enough information coming out to bolster the opinion that there is a hidden agenda in just about everything our govts do. try to imagine what theyre NOT telling us. __________________ Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others.

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01-16-2007, 06:09 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	How much support did the US Government send to the IRA?

01-17-2007, 08:06 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Right. The answer to the (patently ignored) question "How much support did the US Government give the IRA?" is "None at all", which breaks the IRA analogy in the case of Iran. Iran, who is supplying the insurgency with materiel, currently in the form of shaped explosive charges that are specifically anti-tank. And expertise in the form of senior military personnel.

01-17-2007, 08:07 AM	#5
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	[quote]the Iraq Study Group is our only viable resolution. Did you read that either - or just know from what you heard?[quote] [quote]I don't make any claims of being smart. I first learn facts before having an opinion.[quote] [quote]And again you have been brainwashed by Fox News, CBN, Fox News, and other purveyors of wacko extremism.[quote]

01-17-2007, 01:49 PM	#11
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Uh, Mass panic, utter disorder, paranoia. . . Please?

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